AIPAC

AmericaFirst Posted by AmericaFirst on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 01:05 in

Why does every "American" candidate have to prostrate in front of them? June2-4, 2008


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The main point here is

The main point here is special interest groups at large. As Keirkagaard put it when you label me, you negate me. So has our society gone. If you cannot organize, label, place into a group then you are not an active participant. Gay groups, Jewish groups, oil groups, teachers unions, ext. all have the same import, posing as representing a large population, when in fact they are lead by a select few at the top who usually are for sale and thereby the whole thing is a sham

If it cannot be one, then let it be nil. It is not an Isreal issue as much as a whole vs. individual issue

plus, it is about money, power, greed, and control

all of which corrupts the soul.

Free the one, and the world is yours for the taking.

Posted by ICFreely on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 14:36
"Antisemites can not

"Antisemites can not understand the morality issue. That is why the civility is often broken."

Ummmm... having lived in Israel and watched the European Jewish population work their "morals" as they came and made room for themselves, I can understand the issue quite well...

The problem is that religion and belief have superceded common decency and sense once again.
There is nothing immoral about being an antisemite. I am proudly antisemite. Proudly antireligion in general. There is nothing "not understood" there.

God does not choose people or grant them land rights. This is an archaic human fallacy perpetuated by the likes of people like chrisberel. Humans usually take land and proclaim rights by force. There is nothing divine in this process.

One horrific incident (the Holocaust) does not automatically grant people the right to be immoral themselves (though the tendency is highly understandable) ...

Muslims and Jews alike need to come to grips with the fact that they are, indeed, from the same ancestry and should try a lovey-dovey on each other and make happy secular babies...

Scott from Oregon Posted by Scott from Oregon on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 23:25
Muslim/Jew

"Muslims and Jews alike need to come to grips with the fact that they are, indeed, from the same ancestry and should try a lovey-dovey on each other." (SKIP THE BABY PART)

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Truthserum Posted by Truthserum on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 00:16
The AIPAC and Israel Issues

Difficult, isn't it, to maintain civility on the AIPAC and Israel issues. R

Rick Williams Posted by Rick Williams on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 20:21
"Difficult, isn't it, to

"Difficult, isn't it, to maintain civility on the AIPAC and Isreal issues. R "

Really, is it that difficult for you, Rick?
Might I mention the Iran War Resolution- what side are you are on?

Mbythec Posted by Mbythec on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 02:40
It is for antisemites

Antisemites can not understand the morality issue. That is why the civility is often broken.

Posted by chrisberel on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 22:41
It is for extreme zionists

Extreme zionists can not understand the morality issue. That is why the civility is often broken.

There are "win-win" options for Israel and the Palestinians. Too bad people trying to do this are labeled as anti-semite or zionist.

taktic Posted by taktic on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 00:21
Jews against Zionism

http://inminds.co.uk/jews-against-zionism.html

Jews Against Zionism

Recently "Jews Against Zionism" group held its inaugural meeting. With three knowledgeable speakers, all of Jewish origin speaking against Zionism, followed by an open discussion made a stimulating evening. The panel consisted of Roland Rance(chair), Alice Coy, Prof. Haim Bresheeth and Lenni Brenner.We were privileged to be able to attend and here we present in full the speeches and discussion. There is something here for everyone to learn from - especially for those who blindly follow Zionism and for those who blindly paint all Jews with the Zionist brush.

In their own words Jews Against Zionism describe themselves as:

Jews Against Zionism is an organisation of Jews and others opposed to the Zionist movement and ideology, and to its impact on both Palestinians and Jews. We believe that the conflict in Palestine cannot be resolved without a return of Palestinian refugees and dismantlement of the Zionist structure of the state of Israel; and that this is impossible in the context of “two states“ and a re-partition of Palestine.

We advocate the only approach which can lead to peace with justice in the region; we call fro a unitary, secular and democratic Palestine, the return of Palestinian refugees, and full and equal rights for Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and all other people living in the whole of Palestine.

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Truthserum Posted by Truthserum on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 23:35
There are no "Jews" against zionism.

All Jews who identify themselves as Jews, religously, are Zionists. The group pictured above, less then 1/10 of 1% of the Jewish people are confused fools, just like you.

Regardless, they are ardent Zionists.

As they have little education, again like you, their thoughts regarding a solution are so much poppycock.

Again, just like your ideas.

Posted by chrisberel on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 02:39
The palestinians do not recognize this solution

Explain the wni-win.

Posted by chrisberel on Sun, 06/08/2008 - 03:32
Why indeed?

The candidates are shills, Bilderbug puppets. They wouldn't even be in a presidential race if they hadn't been fielded by Tavistok look-out teams years ago, then worked over with psy-ops. Appropriate candidates are promised the Moon... that they can do all good things when they get into office. Then they get into office and can't do anything the Bilderbugs don't want them to do.

Money, backing, fame, fortune, these are the reasons for the prostrating...

Ron Paul is the only candidate who has not been hand-picked and worked over.

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Truthserum Posted by Truthserum on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 19:54
Ron Paul is a joke.

And you don't get it. Twice as funny.

Posted by chrisberel on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 20:07
Ron Paul is a great man

How dare you insult Ron Paul- you're the only joke around here chrisberel- anyone can google your name and see what an ill repute you stand for- the question is why are you harrassing these nice people on Break the Matrix? what's your goal?

AmericaFirst Posted by AmericaFirst on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 01:21
They don't

All national candidates present themselves to all sorts of special interest groups. They do it for exposure and fund raising.

Some disdain some groups in the hopes that the disdain will help them.

Bush did that to the NAACP.

But only David Duke and Cynthia McKinney would ever go to a group that framed the question as you did.

Posted by chrisberel on Sat, 06/07/2008 - 00:45
They do prostrate

You are not an American, chrisberel- you care more about your ezratz isreal than the United States.
Your only concern is how much $ American taxpayers can give to your country so you can steal more land from the Palestinians. Tell us again what victims you are- don't forget the USS Liberty- how you killed those sailors again... I'm sure the American press wants to hear your views....

AmericaFirst Posted by AmericaFirst on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 01:35
They don't prostrate

But it is typical of John Birchers, such as yourself, to make such false accusations.

As for the Liberty, every legal examination has cleared the Israelis of a willful attack on the US.

Don't let your hatreds get in the way of the truth, it exposes you too quickly.

Posted by chrisberel on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 02:32
Crisberel hates Americans

Isrealies have never been cleared- all in your evil anti-american mind chrisberel. How old are you 15? So why did they attack the USS Liberty with UNMARKED airplanes? Can you explain that?

AmericaFirst Posted by AmericaFirst on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 03:06
Israel has been exonerated in every legal investigation

But antisemites will never accept those legal investigations. Why should they? It does nothing for their agenda.

Posted by chrisberel on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 03:36
Anti what?

You're making the presumption that all semites are
enemies of America? Do you include Khazars?

The criminal Aipac lobby has been running America for years,
hence our absurd official support for the Zionists' malignant
behavior in the near East. We're all colonies of the Rothschilds
anyway, and my mentioning that should not be miscast as
some ethnic bias.

If somebody's religion espouses its members' superiority
over outsiders or some particular group, it certainly doesn't
reflect on those associated with it by factors beyond their
control, like their birthplace. Actions and espoused policies
are the controlling factors as to where my wrath is directed,
regardless of the nationality or ethnicity of the offender. I
have enemies, and friends, everywhere, and among all groups.

That Israel was exonerated in the Liberty incident says more
about legal investigations and close international ties than
it does about the incident itself. Similar investigations have
held every political assassination in the last three hundred
years to have been the work of lone psychopaths, which is
an unbelievable coincidence.

bobo Posted by bobo on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 19:11
No proof that AIPAC is anything but quite legal

Your allegation is just proof of your bias.

All the exoneration proves is exoneration.

You are the one upset with not being superior.

Similar investigation of arab political assassinations have proven a network is involved.

Amerca supports israel because the vast majoity of voting Americans vbeleve it is the moral thng to do.

Don't like it? Tough. Nothing you can do about it.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Wed, 07/02/2008 - 01:10
Legal or legal

Where Congress is involved, the majority of their acts are
illegal, considering their duty to be limited by the
Constitution. They certainly would be expected to pass
various measures to "legalize" their acceptance of bribes.
The campaign finance system is an illustration of this.

I don't consider any ethnic group capable of being superior,
or even any person. Only actions or product are worthy or
such an accolade, things of which we are all potentially
capable. To think otherwise would be to direct my personal
energies toward the diminution of every human's potential.

As history is written by the survivors, investigations are
conducted or commissioned by those with an agenda, and
like modern social science, a predetermined result.

It's difficult to take you seriously when you cry racism if
anyone criticizes your sacred cows. Your favored groups
can do no wrong?

bobo Posted by bobo on Wed, 07/02/2008 - 03:01
Obviously the law is not your forte

Need I elaborate? Your bias is showing, though.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Wed, 07/02/2008 - 17:39
Huh?

Law is certainly not the forte of Congress or the Supreme Court when
you compare their rulings and legislation to our founding document,
from which they derive their ONLY authority, namely the Constitution.
That these scoundrels get together and publicly agree to misinterpret
that document's plain English proscriptions so as to aggrandize ever
greater power unto themselves should be construed by no one to be
the proper operation of law.

Unless you're referring to my refusal to bow down to my self proclaimed
Zionist masters, some twisted god's chosen flunkies, you'll have to tell
me what bias exactly you're referring to.

I'm starting to think you're Albrecht, returned to try to stir up anti-semitic
sentiments. That seemed to be his main goal 'til he got very frustrated
and changed his name to an anglo-saxon expression that can't be used
on the radio. He had been severely wronged by Kanada's human rights court,
which is currently being discussed elsewhere on BTM. Poor Albrecht always
failed to distinguish between policy and ethnicity, always blaming a whole
ethnic group for the acts of its more demented members.

But for the record, I'm anti -Zionist, but being virtually raised by and among
secular Jews, distinctly pro-semitic , though ethnically Anglo Saxon. I met
about sixty people a day of all ethnicities over my eighteen years of driving
a taxi in New York City, and meet all strangers with only the highest
expectations. How better to elicit good behavior from them? I would say
nothing that might taint someone else's expectations of any ethnic group
or nationality.

bobo Posted by bobo on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 07:07
Again

You know little of constitutional law. But you are a little twisted, thinking there are zionist masters anywhere. Next you'll be complaining about zog.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 10:59
What is ZOG?

You are speaking in strange code.

taktic Posted by taktic on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 14:58
Willful ignorance?

Let one of the Zundelites here answer that one for you. It referred to Bobo's having zionist masters.

Just another work of fiction from the authors of "The Elders"

Posted by IbrahimAv on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 19:31
All these new words - Zundelites? what is that?

Google search asked if "did you mean zundelsite"
http://www.zundelsite.org/index.html - looks like a site for Germans who are protesting "thought crime" in regard to the holocaust.

The ZOG thing is strange.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Occupation_Government
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-folder.html
Looks like some really extreme views of the world.

Googling "the elders" did not return anything that made sense. Are these "authors" related to the Zundelites?

You are enlightening us to new phrases we didn't know about. Thanks.

taktic Posted by taktic on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 20:33
Of course you didn't know anything about it.

Is willful ignorance forced bliss?

Posted by IbrahimAv on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 20:59
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