Did you know that all land in the United States was originally Allodial?

Do you have a clue to what Allodial land is?

Allodial Title is the most powerful title form one can have in real property. It has been referred to as a Kings Title. No force of law could remove it from its owner and no taxes could ever be levied upon it.

So what happened over the years? Do you have an Allodial title or do you have a DEED?

You can reestablish your right to the Allodial Title of your property, as the Original Land Patent was granted to the Holder with all the rights and Title to the property too him and his heirs and assigns forever and ever.

You may not be any ones heirs but you are their assigns somewhere down the chain of Title. That means that you can still regain Allodial Title. An Act of Congress created the land patent and the Federal Government is responsible for defending all Acts of Congress?

The Attorney General through the United States Attorney is required too defend all Federal Law when attacked. That means that when you get into it with the county Tax Assessor, or a Bank, IRS etc. the United States Attorney should be the one representing your interests and you can file an action against them in The District Court of The United States for the District of Columbia and force him/her to do the job. Protect your rights to your land now. Please respond for more information.


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Your edit was packaged much

Your edit was packaged much nicer. :) I'll have to read The Sovereign Individual. If I can suggest two, Man, Economy, and State: With Power and Market by Murray Rothbard, and Age of Reason by Thomas Paine. But these are old and you've probably already read these.

http://mises.org/rothbard/mes.asp

http://www.mises.org/books/paine1.pdf

Just a little story. I went to Christian Heritage Academy in Del City, Oklahoma, for two years. I graduated from there. It's a non-denominational Christian private school sworn to propagating the Gospel and Restoring the Republic. Naturally the mascot: a Crusader. It was an interesting experience. We read Cotton Mather, extensively (understanding the subjectivity of this word) studied the Bible, played 8 man football. This was a shock coming from Casady School, one of the wealthier private schools in Oklahoma.

I bring it up because one of their mantras was personal responsibility. Now, I say it and it sounds dumb to me now, but they built a curriculum around the Christian roots of America and how it is our duty to restore that Christian republic as God calls for Israel to have in Deuteronomy blah blah. You get where I'm going with this. But they obscured things. Like Thomas Jefferson's opinions on religion. Or how after Roger Sherman founded Rhode Island on religious liberty, he started persecuting religions and Rhode Island wasn't what people thought that it was. So today, I see it as just more propaganda. But, I can't say that I disagree with personal responsibility as such. If the nature of things is "self-government" where the logical jump to an arbitrary territorial monopoly on violence (and fraud) be it elected or selected in a pyramid fashion as Deut. proscribes or a full democracy or maritime law or whatever. Why can't people govern themselves?

Maybe government shouldn't be reformed, but rather government officials, all of them, would sell their services. Maybe then they would really have to learn how to feed the world (permaculture, green living), supply energy (tesla, green living again, nuclear power instead of bombs we really want to drop on Iran), road systems that are efficient and don't provide a free ride to the trucking industry (railroad, who knows, helicopters? flying cars?). Deep breath. It is late. I go on too long when I'm tired.

Goodnight.
Ricky

oatriumph Posted by oatriumph on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 06:34
As a personal choice I have

As a personal choice I have chosen to end my Christian education where it currently rests, peacefully in the back of my mind. And truly, since I've given it up, I've felt much more peace and love in my life. I fear that some wisdom I will be forever doomed to be without, and for that, I'm sorry if there is a breakdown in communication.

So let us talk about the rule of law, because I still find it lacking in the country. Now, please don't believe that I think we live in a police state...now. That is not what it is about. The Japanese-American internment, FDR suspending specie, slavery. To me, it is all about encroaching on human freedom however possible, whenever possible.

I will do some more research, but I'm sure that each and every state, bar none, has encroached on the rights of man, in direct violation of their constitutions. Katrina and the right to keep and bear arms. Roger Sherman and the founding of Rhode Island. Oklahoma, the state I currently live in, is dominated by farm subsidies, and we have horrible farming techniques because of it.

So yes, I believe that political power here, and everywhere, is the use of force and fraud. I know in my own locality, police funding is being upped 35%-50%. Granted I know people "voted" on it, but sheep steeped in propaganda have a way of being delightfully predictable.

So there I do agree, information rules. So it is, so it's always been. Knowledge is power. Hence free press. But the FCC doesn't stand for that, and neither will the government stand the internet much longer.

Peace and Love,
Ricky Cochran

oatriumph Posted by oatriumph on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 21:43
Two things, Ricky:

1) Christian education never ends; I'm in the middle of mine at age 53 (and 36 years into my stumble with Christ) and don't see any letting up in my education for at least another 30 years, if God gives life.

2) As a born-and-raised unreconstructed lifelong Texan, I live in a huge state that has more land area and a larger GDP than most nations of the world and in which I am blessed to live in more peace, prosperity, natural beauty, safety, and personal liberty than most places on earth. Life for me and my family is far better in almost every way than it was for my forebears going back as many generations as you like (to Spain and Scotland). Man's nature is only to sin continually; there is no Utopia and never shall be.

Having said those things, I don't wring my hands about 'America' as many on this site do, for several reasons. First, my highest allegiance is to Christ and the eternal life I wait to enjoy in Him and with Him; so I see the body of Christ growing at a faster pace (percentage-wise and in absolute terms worldwide) than ever before, and this gives great joy to the root of my being. I have eternal friends all over the world; compatriots in The King of All Nations. I will never meet most of them, but whatever nation they live in now they are my brethren, whatever the D.C. government may do to their government.

Our side is winning, Ricky; and in time the knowledge of The Holy One will cover the earth as the waters cover the deep. I know this gives conniption fits to Scott (the blue outhouse) and to all the other atheists trolling around here. Tough toenails; this is reality in the universe as it is, not as atheists wish it was.

The second reason I don't wring my hands about 'America' is corollary to the first: geopolitical borders are in flux throughout history. Ideally, the present USA should be operating as 50 sovereign States, as we were originally promised would be the case. One cannot deny the vastly heterogeneous sociopolitical natures of all these States of America; I have less in common with the average denizen of California, Oregon, Vermont, or Massachusetts than I have with the average denizen of Mexico, Argentina, or Australia (they're big on ranching and farming, like we are in Texas; and Texas was once a part of Mexico as you well know).

Dog-faced Dishonest Abe's federal troops welded together a polyglot, polycultural agglomeration of once-sovereign States of America. Lincoln was a deeply mendacious student of Clay, Hamilton, and the mercenary mercantilists who prey on nations by owning their politicians. It's a lot easier to tap the till of one big government than of fifty States in a loose union.

THAT was the impetus for The War To Enslave the States (which is, by the way, the most accurate label for that horrible war, the watershed of all the unconstitutional usurpations since).

So I'm for Christ, and for Texas and I am very happy and profoundly blessed just as we are. As a Nontaxpayer, I don't pay for (or worry about) all the other national political hoohah that passes for news and 'constitutional crisis' every week.

Are there horrible moral and ethical retrogressions going on in (for instance) California, Massachusetts, Illinois, or Wisconsin? Maybe; in fact probably. Lots of fires and stuff, too; makes a person real sad. But those places may as well be France or Botswana to the average Texan; we just don't have that much in common, sorry. For the Texan who educates himself on history, law, economics et al -- things are better in our wonderful Lone Star Republic presently than they have been anywhere on earth, in any time in history.

And hey, Okies ain't that far off...

Oh, and allodial title, too. [Had to add that in, to return to the thread subject, right?]

dmzuniga Posted by dmzuniga on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 18:22
Power vs. Freedom

As far as being able to get your rights, "political power flows from the barrel of a gun." I think the issue is best understood in terms of power and freedom. The courts are currently instruments of political power (the seizing of property), not political freedom (the defense of property). By and large, this exists because of the power to tax.

It is of utmost importance that everyone get their ideas and definitions of property in order before the time to come. What is tax? The right of the government to seize physical goods. All of human existence is tied to things physical, the proper term is matter. Because of this, ownership by first use and voluntary exchange is the only arbitrary system of ownership I can accept. Political and economic freedom are the same thing, the control of natural resources. First use and voluntary exchange is a better system than ad hoc government decision making.

I think dmzuniga hit it right on the head mentioning not to focus on the little corruption (property tax) rather than the big corruption (Federal Reserve, income tax, Iraq War, Iran War.) And as far as a a special rights system, I would like to mention that before 1913, not that I was alive, but a very limited amount of people had checking accounts. Only the "celebrities" of finance, Rockefeller, Morgan, etc, had checking accounts because they were the only one's with established credit. I'm sure that if there is a special rights system, and that's a big friggin if, then it'll be the same way. If you don't have the political "credit," i.e. ruthless tenacity, deceit, etc, your check will just bounce.

oatriumph Posted by oatriumph on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 06:39
Thanks for the kudos, but...

I disagree that our rule of law in the 50 States has become so retrograde as that, "oatriumph". Under the rule of law, "the barrel of a gun" does not rule, sorry; Mao Tse-Tung's dictum does not apply to our civil life under the Constitution for the United States.

Nor does political power flow (any longer) from the ballot box. That was 20th century politics.

The sea-change being experienced by nation-states in this information revolution is the thesis of James Davidson and Lord William Rees-Mogg's excellent book, The Sovereign Individual. Written ten years ago, it has proven prescient; governments and political parties are still trying to figure out how to keep extorting their 'constituencies' (parasitic hosts; targets) now that the individual can dig out the truth almost instantly, on almost any conceivable subject.

From now on, the barrel of a gun will still be the last resort for parasites and other evil people, but information will rule. Take the IRS scam, for instance; or the collapse of the religious denominations and scamming 'Christian' careerists. People just aren't buying the line of the one who doesn't work for a living, but tries to tickle your pocket instead. Truth is pushing scammers out of the pulpits and out of the statehouse tills.

I still love and follow Christ, but I don't pay into denominational rackets. I still pay every tax I owe, but I don't let the DC al Qaeda skim my checks anymore. As Christ said, "And you shall be My disciples; and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Yes; truth can rule in your home as it does in mine; when it does so, the thieves will have an extremely difficult time getting your stuff. The rule of law is still regnant wherever Americans use information wisely, the way homeowners used to have to use a firearm against invaders. It's only a matter of time before we take the house-cleaning to the City Hall, the County Commissioners' Court, and the local gold-plated school board empires, who are taxing people's homes into oblivion.

The worm has turned; Americans are just not going to take it anymore from thieves in bureaucrats' and politicians' costumes. The allodial title thing is a red herring, but restoring honest government isn't. I think the two younger American generations than mine are wiser than my generation, and less likely to take the crap from parasites that my generation has taken.

I personally feel that such wisdom will more readily come to Christians than to those whose ideas are formed by ideas of false gods, demons...or last night's bowl of chili. Wisdom ('information') when properly applied to the issues of life -- with courage of conviction -- is real power. And under our system of self-government, yes...it is freedom.

dmzuniga Posted by dmzuniga on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 21:38
Has allodial title ever existed in the U.S.?

How is possible to both have the highest title to your land and the federal, state and local government to also have imminent domain over the same land? It doesn't work. Maybe you can have a title in fee-simple, but not allodial (see: http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/blackstone/bla-207.htm). I just don't see how it could work any other way.

Ether 8-24 Posted by Ether 8-24 on Wed, 07/02/2008 - 19:35
'Eminent', not 'Imminent'

But on second thought, these days, Eminent Domain takings are pretty imminent for some private property owners, too...

As to your point that we Americans can enjoy "fee-simple but not allodial" title to our pwn property, you need to keep reading Blackstone's Commentaries, further on in the section you linked. As Blackstone says in that section, "fee simple" came to mean something different from its former use (contradistinction from "allodium", or ownership in full in a man's own right, unfettered). In other words, the kings were losing their grip on their fiefs.

I think your local school district, city, county, water district (and all the other gold-plated parasites) only have taxing authority on you and your neighbors to the extent that you've actually paid for your property in full (i.e., it has no mortgagors) and to the extent that you keep them honest.

Most Americans don't, so you get dishonest, shiftless people in all those parasitic bureaucrat offices, which of course take a lot of money to keep up. So they tax you as much as they can, as long as you let them.

Allodium or not, that's the nub of it.

dmzuniga Posted by dmzuniga on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 01:13
New information

http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/landpatent/index.html

from:http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/index.html

bobo Posted by bobo on Wed, 07/02/2008 - 04:11
Wow, wow, WOW!!!

Just kidding.

What's this "oh, that only works in Texas" stuff? I'm a Texan, and it sure ain't here!

Several people have tried to run with this "allodial title" theory and haven't won diddly squat. The most colorful one that comes to mind is Ron Avery, who lives pretty close to where I live. He has done a lot of fighting on the courthouse steps, trying to shake free of property taxes...no dice so far. His other claim to fame? He authored a book, Alien Physics in which he maintains that Jesus transformed Mary into an alien. [I kid you not; look him up.]

But seriously: there's not ONE case of which I am aware -- in Texas or anywhere else in the republic -- that an owner of "allodial title" has fought and won a case against a taxing authority (city, county, school district) based on this theory of real estate law.

I'd be thrilled to be proven wrong, but I notice that people with "too good to be true" legal theories can never Sheperdise those theories. If you can't provide cases, then even if you took something like this to court, the judge will throw you out. Even if it became a jury trial, a jury would balk, too, if you can't show any court ruling that way.

The "allodial title" scam is very much like other internet legends, usually peddled by someone who asks you to send $19.95 and you'll get all the secrets delivered to your door. Once they have your $19.95, they send you a pile of garbage with no viability in any modern court (even if it might have been viable 200 years ago, or 1500 years ago).

Very much like those $29.95 facial creams that remove all wrinkles...or the $49.95 "miracle" to re-grow a full head of hair...or the $69.95 magic 'hydrogen atomizer' that you stick in your car's fuel line to IMMEDIATELY BOOST FUEL EFFICIENCY BY 63%!!!

There is just no substitute for informed citizen self-government (i.e., kicking the bums into prison for defrauding you and robbing you). If you do the work, you can be a (relatively) safe, free Nontaxpayer as far as IRS harrassment is concerned; the law is clear, and there are millions of us now. But the same can't be said for "allodial title" land ownership where people want to get out of paying taxes to their local taxing districts for the local benefits they derive.

There's plenty of fraud, waste, and opulence at the city, county, and school district level; American politics and bureaucracy is rife with corruption, as you'll see if you do a little digging at your local taxing authority's bureaucracies. But so far, no one that I'm aware of has been able to just stand up to them and say "I'm not going to pay for your waste, fraud, and high lifestyle anymore, and I WILL keep my property!"

If anyone claims that their "allodial title" scheme works, have them PROVE IT with case cites (venue, name, date, etc). Until they do that, hang onto your $49.95.

Or buy one of the miracle gas-extenders. It's a better deal.

dmzuniga Posted by dmzuniga on Wed, 06/04/2008 - 18:46
Allodial Title

Great comment you have there and thanks for responding. I actually know an attorney who successfully filed with the recorder in Texas an Allodial Title. But here is where most people go wrong. First, one needs to have a complete abstract of the property dating back to the beginning when issued by the government. Second, people going into the recorder's office and demanding they have their land patent recorded so they don't have to pay property taxes does not fly very well (bring a treat with you). Third, one has to persist in obtaining what is his/hers property and not the king's (bank) property. Remember, you are the King. I'm in the process of getting my own land patent accomplished before I offer to market my attorney's c/d's and court documents. Remember, you have to prepare to fight for what is yours and learn all you can. I will update everyone as I get through it myself.
Another point on property taxes. Look, we all know the kids need to go to school. It's just the way it's funded that piss us all off. After I get my alloidial title, I will still pay my share for the kids to go to school but it will be a private donation or there will be the fight of a lifetime with the Federal government having to defend myself. As far as I know, the land patent has not been disputed as far as the Supreme court but that won't keep me from helping to preserve my freedom and yours. Your a great bunch of state citizens (hope not U.S. citizens) and I get a great deal of strength from you.

ChiefBigPod Posted by ChiefBigPod on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 00:26
"It hasn't been disputed in USSC"

because 'land patent' cases are not within the jurisdiction of the federal courts. Basic American civics: no property tax issue or school district funding issue falls within the jurisdiction of the federal judiciary (i.e., US Supreme Court) unless there's a tort under the U.S. Constitution; in other words, a 'constitutional rights' issue. The US Supreme Court would never see a 'land patent' case.

You're on a rabbit trail. I sure hope you're already a (law-abiding) Nontaxpayer, rather than still letting the DC/IRS al-Qaeda skim your checks for one-third of all you make. To put it another way: don't tilt at relatively small corruption at the State level while leaving much more egregious federal corruption unaddressed in your household.

We all need to pull together on the strategic embargo of the DC al Qaeda above and beyond anything else we do. If you're already a well-prepared, well-informed, law-abiding Nontaxpayer, then go on your 'land patent' grail and good luck with that!

dmzuniga Posted by dmzuniga on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 21:45
Allodial Title!

BRAVO .. ChiefBigPod

I'll be watching along with all the other citizens of this Republic .. Not the U.S. {:-))

Remember the Words you say keep them soft and sweet You never know from day to day which one's you'll have to eat! www.tiptopwebsite.com/liberty4us

liberty4us Posted by liberty4us on Fri, 06/06/2008 - 00:43
Constitution Class with Badnarik

Was the first place I had heard of it and he said Texas was the only state he had heard of it still existing. I admit, I didn't look into it, I took his word for it. I do not think he was referring to winning a case for it, I think it was already established title. It was in the first hour but I'm not sure where exactly.

“There is more benefit from speaking out imperfectly than remaining perfectly quiet.”
~ Jahfre Fire Eater http://alphavilledecoder.org/

ronpaulican Posted by ronpaulican on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 05:08
OOPS!

accidental double post.

bobo Posted by bobo on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 05:32
BOW WOW

Mr. Zuniga-

Good to hear from you on this. The search I did was about six
months ago and what I posted was all I could see, though it appeared
in several places. I think one of the first was "Above Top Secret". Now,
there's tons.

The failure of this theory to be upheld in the court system maybe says as
much about the court system as it does about the validity of the theory
itself. We've not had a legal Congress since the Southern States broke
quorum prior to the Civil War, and on and on. It looks as they prefer to
have oxymoronic and vague statutes (H.R.1955), or act in a way fully
contrary to a statute never properly ratified while claiming to enforce it
(Sixteenth Amendment, IRS). It all helps to dumb down the population as
to their rights, and condition them for totalitarianism.

A significant part of property taxes is passed upward through levels of
government (just as it does in organized crime) to facilitate self interested
redistribution schemes at all levels of the dictatorship. A jury of rational
humans would probably convict most of our government under the RICO
anti racketeering statutes, were all their interactions with the public
fully investigated.

In any case, I've lost faith in the court system.

What are your feelings on copyrighting one's name, and filing a security
agreement (UCC-1) assigning all holdings to one's "Normally Capitalized"
name from the "ALL CAPS" government assigned strawman and using
the following defense in courtoom entanglements:

"The court calls BOBO to step forward to answer for his despicable deeds
to wit: Blah, blah, blah."

"I'm here to address that matter", bobo begins...

"I am not that person, the court may address me as "Secured Party". That
name is my copyrighted property, and any use of it for financial gain will be
charged $500 thousand per occurrence , as you have been noticed by
documents you've been provided. Failure to pay may subject you to a
common law foreclosure, which you may remember from school, requires
no court proceeding. I only came here to collect payment. Unless you agree
here and now to stop using my property, I'll have to insist on payment. "No?"
Please provide an address so I can mail you an invoice." ?

They write of judges having accounts seized, and no workable recourse.

Know anybody who did this? I would expect any lawyer to claim it unworkable,
maybe for the same reason that optometrists denounce the Bates method,
or that it devalues and casts further suspicion on their profession in its current
state. There's no reason to think they've heard of this as it's far from their usual
purview, but what lawyer is willing to appear to a layman to be ignorant of part
of the law(?): an honest one.

The only reason why this concept is valid is that it rests on the very concept used
to enslave us in the first place.

Thank you.

bobo Posted by bobo on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 01:59
Well, with a name like BOBO,

you're all set up to take your all-caps, UCC-1 case to court, then. Let us know how it turns out; you might just be the one to teach the American people a little common sense; a little honesty and integrity, BOBO.

If that really is your name. I often marvel at the perfect irony of theorists prating on all day about nefarious conspirators running America...while they post on the internet using pseudonyms and fake pictures.

This is not cynicism speaking; I am genuinely wondering how long it will take for plain integrity and character to begin surfacing across this republic again. If the ancient civilisations and republics are any indication, it never shall. Sigh.

Seriously, "Bobo", have you considered blogging under your actual name and photograph? You appear to be an engaging, irenic, erudite person. Why the cryptozoology?

dmzuniga Posted by dmzuniga on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 18:47
I do see your point

, and have seen the same point when made by others. Still, I have a
number of reasons to not post over my actual name or post my actual
picture. One of them is that I don't feel safe in my current living situation. I've
seen a lot of crazy stuff go down in all the places I've lived and am just not keen on
bringing unknown and needless physical risk into my life at this time. I prefer to pick
my own battles. I expect any points I make to be considered on their own rather
than taken as a theatrical presentation for some hidden motive, or as somethng I'm
ashamed to own up to. It's unfair to equate concerns such as mine with a lack of
integrity or character.

Likewise, persons posting under their "own" name, and I emphasize that I'm referring
to no one in particular, are not above suspicion of being agents provocateur or of
disinformation. Those would certainly be more effective in that guise, with the added
credibility that a 'real' name might impart. A certain feeling of safety and assurance
might be derived by posting over the real name of a CIA generated, officially clearable
alias.

These paltry concerns will evaporate when humanity achieves near universal
omniscience, as I'm expecting to occur. Tough time for the Gestapo.

It's laudable that you suggest that people do their own research. Epithets like
"hogswallow" don't pretend to be more than personal opinion, yet I somehow feel
cheated because the reason behind that opinion has been withheld. I'm asked to
accept it based on some unknowable credibility and my own gullibility.

I heard a radio interview with a lawyer in Canada who had six properties foreclosed
after he attempted to satisfy their mortgages with promissory notes, on the grounds
that those are legally equivalent to fiat money, while still touting the theory of it.
Others had that work, they claim. If it did, one would expect the banks to hush it up,
plus the mortgagor would be advising them to do so as well, while probably menacing
them with a copyright infringement suit. Unfortunately, the victims of this scam are
more the holders of bank stock and/or certain mortgage funds, all holders in due
course, rather than the more appropriately targeted controllers of the Federal Reserve.

Your tax iniative is certainly better directed as to its justification. Because of revenue
sharing, the use of alloidal title to avoid property taxes is similarly justified. No one is
stopping residents from approving their own voluntary tax plan to fund services, or
simply donating as individuals.

I wonder where ChiefBigPod went to.

bobo Posted by bobo on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 23:14
HOGSWALLOP...

not "hogswallow". Big difference.

Your (rather paranoid) protestations notwithstanding, I think it serves the 'Ron Paul Revolutionaries' well to act a bit less paranoid and a bit more circumspect. I refer to no one in particular, my big-footed, hairy friend; just to Ron Paulians generally.

Consider the ethical gist of my point, and the illogic of your excuse. I could just as easily be a CIA agent provocateur but post under the name BABA, with a picture of a little lamb instead of my own photograph, as use my real name and photo.

I see real names and photos on most blog communities where cameraderie and singleness of purpose are in view; pseudonyms and silly photos on blogs where folks are prone to puerile flaming and wasting others' time as well as their own.

In a fight for the future of this republic, integrity is its own reward; a victory in itself.

dmzuniga Posted by dmzuniga on Tue, 06/10/2008 - 12:41
Mr. Zuniga-

It looked like you were proposing a gambit for ad hominem attacks
on posters here who may have privacy concerns or other reasons
to use pseudonyms. I'd rather see their ideas, and resent your
attempt to demotivate them from posting.

I also reasonably pointed out the need for discernment and applauded
your suggestion that people do their own research.

For the record, I don't think you're CIA. Big deal, an endorsement from
a guy that looks like an early hominid. Feel the camaraderie.

bobo Posted by bobo on Thu, 06/12/2008 - 05:43
It's just strange, that's all.

I've profoundly enjoyed your postings, sir/madam. I've even tried to glean a bit from your too-technical discussion of monetary policy and currency trading. All very fascinating, and you appear to be extremely adept in that field. I've enjoyed the vicarious education.

But excuse me for remaining uncomfortable with strangers. In most human social intercourse, one does not remain a stranger for long, unless one of the parties is malevolent. Or deranged. In those instances, we come away shaking our heads rather than feeling "cameraderie".

It does not seem to me that people living lawfully and above reproach have anything to fear from the regulative norms of social intercourse, like using real names. Given the penchant of online wierdos for stalking girls and women, I can certainly understand a female not using her photograph (men are visually stimulated more than women). I never considered that you might very well be female. Or sure...maybe you're secretly an FBI financial crimes agent, needing to maintain his cover... ;)

Imagine what the "cameraderie" would be like in a club where everyone came wearing a huge, shapeless costume, and a voice-altering device, and refused to ever use real names. That sounds too much like CIA and IRS staff training to me. Ugh.

It's a rum thing. I think the person I've enjoyed conversing with most on this blog has been Tom Mullen, who happens to be an atheist (but denies it) while I am a Christian (and don't deny it). Tom has been civil, intelligent, and uses his real name. Notwithstanding my light-hearted jab at him on the book review thread (I posted a thread title called "Atheists are Idiots!" hoooo boy...) I've been able to develop a level of cameraderie with Mullen because I see his face and know his name, and our arguments have a way of not overheating. This is common social decency, I should think, with people that we know.

We can never know an anonymous Bigfoot. But suit yourself; it's a free country.

dmzuniga Posted by dmzuniga on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 13:40
Wow! This IS exciting!

I knew of this but haven't been able to turn up more info. All I have is a
short webpost that seems to support what you've said so far.

-Anxious

The post:

"Anyways after diving into the legal system & discovering maritime Admiralty law, equity law, & common law I have found out that it is still lawfull to secure a land patent there buy owning the land in alloidal claim which means forever & ever to all heirs & not taxable.

"So now I'm buying land. I purchase the land with tens of thousands of dollars then include 7-21 pieces of silver which actually pays the debt instead of discharging it with 'legal tender' and this allows me to track down the original land patent in your local land titles office. Then you update the patent, post a notice of it in your court house & local paper for 4 weeks, give everyone a chance in the world to contest it. After no one challenges it it stands. Then you pay your property taxes under "protest" and sue back the R.M. or county for your taxes back. The Judge will rule in your favor if your have completed the process properly and the Gov't has to give you your money back. Once you win court you never have to pay property tax and the land is yours forever, or until China invades.

"GOT LAND YET? They aren't making anymore of it.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 243849"
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bobo Posted by bobo on Mon, 06/02/2008 - 23:40
I thought this only existed in Texas now.

Are you saying we can fight for this wherever we are?

“There is more benefit from speaking out imperfectly than remaining perfectly quiet.”
~ Jahfre Fire Eater http://alphavilledecoder.org/

ronpaulican Posted by ronpaulican on Mon, 06/02/2008 - 22:52
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