How can Israel safely appease the Arab nations.
Posted by chrisberel on Sat, 05/31/2008 - 19:10 inThis is the problem:
Israel is still in a state of war with almost every Arab nation. Most are sitting at the "If you do nothing, we'll do nothing" state. Some are at a cold peace.
Almost none are at a point where actual war could start. But that is no guarantee of continued peace.
For Israel, wholesale return of the arab refugees is an imposibility.
So what to do?
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I think by focusing on Israel/Palestine we have probably missed the "proverbial boat". A few million Israelis and a few million Palestinians shouldn't dictate the peace of the entire world. As a Yemeni once told me, "We don't like the Palestinians; we just don't like the Israelis more". Until the Arabs unite to form a PAC, the Israelis are going to have their way with us, the Super Power. I don't understand why they haven't, yet. With all of their petro dollars (euros, now?) they could make a bigger impact on our Congress than the Israelis. After all, money talks a lot with the PAC's, especially if they donate it to our our Congress, it seems.
But it is because it is the highlight of Muslim concern.
However, Islamic money will not sway congress to act in a manner that offends christian morality. There are many well funded members of congress who were tossed because of pandering to Arabs.
Headquarter the new 'Vatican-like' (chiefly religious/moral authority not political) Caliphate in the Gaza Strip donated by the Palestinian Authority.
The Caliphate would be officially chartered as a neutral state. It would offer right of return citizenship for all Arabs. A resident requirement would allow voting rights in municipal elections (the Caliph would have no lawmaking or official governing capacity.) With certain conditions and timetable met, the Caliphate would be recognized by the UN and open for international trade.
The Arab League led by Egypt, along with Israel would come to an agreement regarding the Caliphate's protection. (An example would be to halve the coast, each monitor respective common borders, with Israel defending the airspace.)
Israel would recognize Caliphate citizenship and permit work and residence within Israel with the proper visa.
Trade tarriffs, taxes and cross-border ownership conditions would be negotiated.
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On a separate but parallel track, a bi-national Isreali-Jordanian canal authority would be established for the purpose of building and maintaining a canal from the Gulf of Aqaba/Eilat to the Dead Sea. The Gulf would feed the canal. The Dead Sea would become an important inland port and offer a shared resource for Israel, Jordan, and West Bank Palestinians.
The Straits of Tiran would be of increased strategic importance which would necessitate comprehensive peaceful diplomatic agreements bringing together Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian Authority.
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You can have no dominion greater or less than that over yourself.
-Leonardo da Vinci
Not one that I have seen before. It implies two behavioral patterns not seen. One is a peaceful palestinian poulation. The other is the willingness of the typical Israeli to allow Palestinian labor back in the state.
Like Americans, Israelis became addicted to the cheap labor and money speaks louder then security. So it can be readily believed that Israel will allow a large palestinian workforce.
What about the area now known as the westbank and Arab East Jerusalem?
West Bank economic semi-autonomy in cooperation with the Canal Authority would be the driving force for the potential shared prosperity. The East Jerusalem-Dead Sea corridor would be vital to the scenario I outline and would be the Palestinian bargaining chip. I can see a provision in the Canal Authority charter permitting a Palestinian ownership share to be derived from negotiated proportional percentages of the principal States' shares dependent upon what should ultimately be a loosely federated Israeli-Palestinian (green line) State with all of Jerusalem as a shared federal zone.
Could the West Bank wait that long? That's really the issue. A good faith showing among all parties with the Gaza decoupling and independence would provide the trust and reassurance for such an eventuality.
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You can have no dominion greater or less than that over yourself.
-Leonardo da Vinci
"Your solution to the problem is not one that satisfies any but ther Arabs."
Ummmm... Methinks you must be either twelve and recently circumcised or suffer IQ impairment syndrome...
I am willing to bet my solution satisfies lots of folks who aren't Arabs. For one, they satisfy me...
Your hatred for Arabs shines through everything you write. You too, have "dirty dog" syndrome to go with your recent Bobbit and your flailing swim in turgid intellectual seas...
Instead of making these really lame declarations, just come out and tell people you are young, lopped, and ill-equipped. That way, you may garner some sympathy for your cause...
There are only two parties that require satisfaction - The Israelis and the Arabs.
What you are tasked with is coming up with a solution that satisfies the Israeli need of security and the Arab need of honor.
But not your idea of security nor your idea of honor.
The Israeli government has announced plans to build nearly 900 new housing units in a part of East Jerusalem that is considered occupied territory.
The Palestinian Authority has condemned the news of more settlement building on occupied territory.
The Israeli government insists that any final peace deal will see these districts redrawn inside the Israeli border.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7430141.stm
But why not? If you possess superior firepower and can withstand the repercussions, continue gobbling up the land.
Some nations act improper, this is a fact. There is no such thing as equity for all. What I don’t like to see, is my country supporting such rogue nations.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned Jewish settlement building was having a "negative effect" on efforts to forge a Middle East peace deal.
Ms Rice was referring to Israeli plans to build 1,300 new homes in Ramat Shlomo, an area of the West Bank that Israel considers part of Jerusalem.
Israel has described the new homes as the natural growth of existing communities.
After meeting Palestinian Authority President Mr Abbas in Ramallah, Ms Rice said: "It's important to have an atmosphere of trust and confidence.
"Unfortunately, I do believe, and the United States believes, that the actions and the announcements that are taking place are indeed having a negative effect on the atmosphere for negotiations."
The Palestinians claim all of the West Bank as part of a future independent state, with east Jerusalem as its capital.
But Israel considers all of Jerusalem - including the eastern part which it captured in a 1967 war - to be its "eternal and indivisible" capital.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7455231.stm
How many times can isreal steal land without being caught? thanks to the zionist media us dumb Americans won't catch on.
First honest thing you've alluded to, you're dumb.
"Israel was not a mistake, IMHO"
Sixty years of two deluded peoples going tit for tat over a small piece of semi-worthless land? One cannot call that a successful idea, no matter how you word it.
"it exists and the soltion to the problem must occur with Israel continuing to exist".
And your reason for this would be that "the Jews" have a right to a homeland? If every group made and recieved that claim, the world would be carved up into much smaller pieces than it already is. Heck, we Oregonians should definately be seperated from the crazies across the desert...
There is no rational reason for any belief to have a homeland, be it Islamic, Ainu, or Eskimo Pie. Take the irrational system of religious beliefs out of the equation, and there is no reason for Israel to be Israel. It exists therefore it should always exist is not an argument but a claim. Do you make this claim because you believe Judaism to have a right to a homeland?
It was a mistake, a horrific one, that will not be resolved until both sides find rationality and give up their religious nutjobberdoodooisms...
Israel exists. Israel will continue to exist for a very long time.
Your solution to the problem is not one that satisfies any but ther Arabs. That is not the solution to the question as it leaves out one side.
Try again.
Short of God Almighty descending down from the heavens and appealing to both sides to live as brothers, they will never see one another as equals. The Zionist Jews have a terminal case of ‘alpha male syndrome’ and the Palestinians will forever view Jews living on what they will always consider their ‘land’ as something less than earth worms.
Even declaring Jerusalem a sacred city, belonging to all the people of the world and under the auspices of the U.N. would accomplish nothing.
Israel was not a mistake, IMHO. Regardless, it exists and the soltion to the problem must occur with Israel continuing to exist.
Your task is to come up with a rational solution. So far - zilch.
""Nationalism was quite accepted during the founding of Israel.""
Ummmm. Nationalism was imposed by force of arms and a fence. We used to have to go in and out of that fence everyday to get to and from.
As UN workers, we were allowed. If we were Arab, we weren't. I accept that Israel was a mistake and should not have occured. Do you?
The only rational solution is a rational one. When both sides become rational, there will be a solution.
Until then, the situation will be as it is, and no amount of postulating will fix it.
Religion does indeed, poison peace in this case.
There's no Jewish thought that says "we have no right to a state due to our beliefs" either...
At least not a fundie one.
War by f-cking... I'm down with that...
Nationalism was quite accepted during the founding of Israel.
Even if you disagree with the premise, tyou've proposed no reasonable solution.
Both sides may state irratioanl reasons, but you are asked for a ratrional reason that leads to a rational relolytion whereupon the Israelis have no security needs and the Arabs have no honor neeeds.
You must also consider the Israeli sense of entitlement.
When we lived in Jerusalem (back in the sixties) the European Jews amassing and taking was a big problem.
The only way to resolve this conflict is to demonstrate that Jew and Arab share the same ancestry, and that their recent spats (of, say the last few thousand years) are not the be all to end all.
There is no god that grants land or chooses people. There is no land that is Holy. There is almost zero genetic difference between an Arab and a Jew, the differences are all in the self-delusions they base their world view on.
Otherwise, fagettaboutit...
Yes. Peace on earth.... Good will towards men...
But there is no Islamic thought, accepted by the official Arab mantra, that espouses this thought.
As such, it is not an idea that the Israelis can safely propose.
At the moment, proposed by supporters of Islamic fascism, such as Mary Rizzo, is that the Arab demographic bomb be allowed to suceed and just wait out the, soon to be out numbered, Israeli.
The main problem is still the Arab concept of honor. Regardless of what could have been, what should be done now that will; 1. Secure the safety of the typical Israeli, 2. Satisfy the Arab sense of honor.
The main problem is that isrealies are dishonest and all they want to do is steal land from the Palestinians.
Just take your meds. You'll be better in the morning.
Stealing land from the Palestinians, nothing short of ethnic cleansing-
Correction:
"I am absolutely sure that if the Palestinians had been co-opted by offering them a better life-style..."
Correction to my above blog:
"I am absolutely sure that if the Palestinians had been (not "have" been)...
As long as Israel profits as it does from the U.S. and the rest of the world, it has no interest in having peace with its neighbors. Get real, ChrisBerel! Lose a few Israelis, lose a few Palestinians and gain beaucoup d'argent from the rest of the world for the remaining Israelis. It's really sad! I am absolutely sure that if the Palestinians have been co-opted by offering them a better life-style with the advent of Israel that they would have succumbed to the status-quo. Those in power decided otherwise; alas, we have the situation that we have today.