I just want to say that I'm happy with the no cursing policy and yes
there have been some good discussions since then
so I wouldn't conclude that it made things boring
I'd like to think I can swear when I want to on BTM. I think it is unfortunate that adults can't handle a little profanity from time to time. What is this the FEC? I guess the thought that profanity is allowed with cause a groundswell of inappropriate content. Sorry if I can't stomach that tripe. This is silly that this is even an issue on this the freedom forums.
> What is this the FEC?
i think you meant FCC.
valid question.
no, it's not the FCC, this is a private organization making up its own rules of conduct. the FCC is a government institution that imposes and enforces, among other things, indecency regulations. that is to say that in the worse case scenario, as far as i understand it at least, one could end up imprisoned for saying something that is deemed indecent. here, on this forum, you may have your comment removed. i hope this difference addresses your rhetorical question.
all over again. Those who draw a group into insipid discussion when there are serious issues on the table, prove that a certain standard of public decency is a good idea.
There are countless places on the internet where you can go to curse, flame, and argue for days about poopie, peepee, and private parts...just as you did in kindergarten. Such sites are legion, with more appearing every day (the MySpace types).
This site has a very different purpose: it's a virtual public square for rumination and development of constitutional self-governance in America. Some of these issues will determine whether our grandchildren will live in liberty, or enslaved.
If you'd rather type a string of naughty expletives, there are countless sites to do that on the internet. But not here, thank God.
My only point is that those people who feel their freedom is being stifled (there are quite a few who feel that way) by a censorship of any particular laundry list of words or phrases, are being too simple minded by focusing on what's not allowed instead of the plethora of alternatives available through various creative writing techniques. Sorry if you missed it and/or were offended by my lame attempt at humor.
Posted by Nick (not verified) on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 14:28
Are you kidding? You got him to say "poopie", "peepee", and "private parts" all in the same sentence in retort to your use of the word "vajayjay". That's brilliant! If the humor was lost on him, that's a shame, but I assure you it was not lost in its entirety...
I can't think of any curse word for which there isn't several alternate words that can be used without losing any of the meaning and are actually, in some cases, more colorful. Take the word "vajayjay" for example it's a fine substitute for the big "C" word and don't forget it's counterpart; the "wiener".
Maybe you farging bastages and I should get up off our bung holes (or sphincters or asses if you have no imagination) and make a list of acceptable yet controversial words for a first annual "fun with censorship" day.
Posted by Nick (not verified) on Thu, 05/22/2008 - 12:15
I remember Frank from Myspace and he had a penchant for going on profanity laced tirades. It's too bad cause I thought he came across as a pretty smart guy when he wasn't f'n and s'n every other word.
honestly i found him hear and have known dean longer since meeting him at ron paul meet ups and hq. i agree he seemed more intelligent than not. question is what did he do? i think it was him that posted that thread with a curse word in the subject ??? after this issue had come up????
became successful because it was open to profanity? I think it became successful because it was a venue for egos . That always draws a crowd. In defending and broadcasting truth, freedom and hope, expletives are not needed so why add them? The BTW message and mission is going to draw people and make BTM successful, not being open to expletives.
Our ability to convey the message is what will bring like-minded people here. Anyone who visits this site, likes what we have to offer and wants to join, but doesn't because they can't swear every sentence, needs to re-examine their priorities.
Don't get me wrong, I swear. But I can control it, and I can express myself just as well without.
There is great value in your insight into what will bring like-minded people here. Our ability to convey the message is what will have a lasting impact on the evolution of freedom from a comparative rarity to the commonplace condition I presume we all would like to see.
On the issue of censorship, may I offer an observation. It appears as though those who would gain some excitation from the use of expletives in their conversations in venues of this type tend to continue to rant about the same base issues and grovel amid the mire of personal attacks and character assassination. Very often, when confronted with this unintelligent, spasmodic emotional reactionism, I tend to envision the windshield of the car I used to drive when gasoline was affordable. It periodically became spotted with the smashed viscera of various insects which cause the view to become both obscured and relatively unpleasant. Knowing there is no way to completely eliminate the insects from my environment, I simply accept the fact that there will, occasionally, be some irritating splatters on my windshield, turn on my wipers with the washer assisting, wash away the mess and continue on my way.
Bloggers who find it cute/necessary/useful/titilating/etc. to use expletives give me the impression they are interested in obscuring and making unpleasant the experience of intelligent exchange of opinion and information. I disagree with the use of censorship to try to eliminate the insects and would rather see those of us who value meaningful discourse just use the windshield washer of rejection of these disruptions.
Sentences full of.... Salt and spice and everything nice... Myspace realized early on that if it was to catch on, it had to be open, and they've done well.
I guess no one refutes the fact that management has the right to do as they please here. The 500'000 member question (is it ok to say member here?) is... What is best for this site and its shareholders while maintaining its original purpose.
In my opinion; the internet wants to be free. And anyway, a little controversy would do the site well.
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I just want to say that I'm happy with the no cursing policy and yes
there have been some good discussions since then
so I wouldn't conclude that it made things boring
for the record....
I'd like to think I can swear when I want to on BTM. I think it is unfortunate that adults can't handle a little profanity from time to time. What is this the FEC? I guess the thought that profanity is allowed with cause a groundswell of inappropriate content. Sorry if I can't stomach that tripe. This is silly that this is even an issue on this the freedom forums.
you're confusing ethics with freedom of speech.
> What is this the FEC?
i think you meant FCC.
valid question.
no, it's not the FCC, this is a private organization making up its own rules of conduct. the FCC is a government institution that imposes and enforces, among other things, indecency regulations. that is to say that in the worse case scenario, as far as i understand it at least, one could end up imprisoned for saying something that is deemed indecent. here, on this forum, you may have your comment removed. i hope this difference addresses your rhetorical question.
happy about a code of conduct, it just seemed like there were less posts ---
I'll check back in at the end of the week
all over again. Those who draw a group into insipid discussion when there are serious issues on the table, prove that a certain standard of public decency is a good idea.
There are countless places on the internet where you can go to curse, flame, and argue for days about poopie, peepee, and private parts...just as you did in kindergarten. Such sites are legion, with more appearing every day (the MySpace types).
This site has a very different purpose: it's a virtual public square for rumination and development of constitutional self-governance in America. Some of these issues will determine whether our grandchildren will live in liberty, or enslaved.
If you'd rather type a string of naughty expletives, there are countless sites to do that on the internet. But not here, thank God.
My only point is that those people who feel their freedom is being stifled (there are quite a few who feel that way) by a censorship of any particular laundry list of words or phrases, are being too simple minded by focusing on what's not allowed instead of the plethora of alternatives available through various creative writing techniques. Sorry if you missed it and/or were offended by my lame attempt at humor.
Are you kidding? You got him to say "poopie", "peepee", and "private parts" all in the same sentence in retort to your use of the word "vajayjay". That's brilliant! If the humor was lost on him, that's a shame, but I assure you it was not lost in its entirety...
I can't think of any curse word for which there isn't several alternate words that can be used without losing any of the meaning and are actually, in some cases, more colorful. Take the word "vajayjay" for example it's a fine substitute for the big "C" word and don't forget it's counterpart; the "wiener".
Maybe you farging bastages and I should get up off our bung holes (or sphincters or asses if you have no imagination) and make a list of acceptable yet controversial words for a first annual "fun with censorship" day.
implemented any... testing testing... I got no warning when trying to type in an expletive. It even let me post em. There is no censorship.
im pretty sure its simply a code of conduct at this point, and if broken...its enforced...i heard the forums were shut down yesterday????
i just want to know what went down with the whole frank deal. i cant simply believe hes borismo and if his account got deleted...why?
I remember Frank from Myspace and he had a penchant for going on profanity laced tirades. It's too bad cause I thought he came across as a pretty smart guy when he wasn't f'n and s'n every other word.
honestly i found him hear and have known dean longer since meeting him at ron paul meet ups and hq. i agree he seemed more intelligent than not. question is what did he do? i think it was him that posted that thread with a curse word in the subject ??? after this issue had come up????
someone help me out here
became successful because it was open to profanity? I think it became successful because it was a venue for egos . That always draws a crowd. In defending and broadcasting truth, freedom and hope, expletives are not needed so why add them? The BTW message and mission is going to draw people and make BTM successful, not being open to expletives.
Our ability to convey the message is what will bring like-minded people here. Anyone who visits this site, likes what we have to offer and wants to join, but doesn't because they can't swear every sentence, needs to re-examine their priorities.
Don't get me wrong, I swear. But I can control it, and I can express myself just as well without.
There is great value in your insight into what will bring like-minded people here. Our ability to convey the message is what will have a lasting impact on the evolution of freedom from a comparative rarity to the commonplace condition I presume we all would like to see.
On the issue of censorship, may I offer an observation. It appears as though those who would gain some excitation from the use of expletives in their conversations in venues of this type tend to continue to rant about the same base issues and grovel amid the mire of personal attacks and character assassination. Very often, when confronted with this unintelligent, spasmodic emotional reactionism, I tend to envision the windshield of the car I used to drive when gasoline was affordable. It periodically became spotted with the smashed viscera of various insects which cause the view to become both obscured and relatively unpleasant. Knowing there is no way to completely eliminate the insects from my environment, I simply accept the fact that there will, occasionally, be some irritating splatters on my windshield, turn on my wipers with the washer assisting, wash away the mess and continue on my way.
Bloggers who find it cute/necessary/useful/titilating/etc. to use expletives give me the impression they are interested in obscuring and making unpleasant the experience of intelligent exchange of opinion and information. I disagree with the use of censorship to try to eliminate the insects and would rather see those of us who value meaningful discourse just use the windshield washer of rejection of these disruptions.
Sentences full of.... Salt and spice and everything nice... Myspace realized early on that if it was to catch on, it had to be open, and they've done well.
I guess no one refutes the fact that management has the right to do as they please here. The 500'000 member question (is it ok to say member here?) is... What is best for this site and its shareholders while maintaining its original purpose.
In my opinion; the internet wants to be free. And anyway, a little controversy would do the site well.
Boris in Miami