Posted by Hope_Flow_89 on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 18:56 in
The link below leads to one of the most thought provoking articles I have read in quite some time. I do not agree with all the author writes but he makes many valid points.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article4710.html
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Anyone who thinks that Russia could even possibly be an ally of the U.S. has not read anything by Anatoliy Golitsyn (New Lies for Old, Perestroika Deception), or any other ex-Soviet commentator who had any intelligence background. The KGB and GRU still run Russia through the mafia, and the intentional collapse of the Soviet empire is merely a biding of time until the U.S. caves in on itself. The Soviets aren't stupid, and they have planned for a long-term comeback, arm-in-arm with their ideological kin, the Chinese.
Don't reply with any sorry retorts about the Sino-Soviet split. Do your homework before you reply.
From the back cover of the book, "Perestroika Deception:"
"Anatoliy Golitsyn's first book, 'New Lies for Old', caused a long running sensation when it was discovered that, unlike most Western analysts, the Author had accurately predicted, some years ahead of the events, the 'Break with the Past' which took place in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union in 1989-91. In his book 'Wedge: The Secret War between the FBI and CIA' [Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1994], Mark Riebling, who carried out a methodical analysis of Golitsyn's predictions in 'New Lies for Old', credited the Author with 'an accuracy record of nearly 94%'. This singular achievement puts all other analysts, including some official services, to shame; and it is precisely because of his record of pin-point accuracy that Western Governments, policymakers and even some intelligence services, whose record bears little comparison with Golitysn's, have competed with one another over the years to find reasons why Golitsyn's perceptive explanations of Soviet strategy should be ignored. But events as they unfold are relentlessly proving this remarkable analyst of Soviet strategy to be right. 'The Perestroika Deception' explains the devious secret intent behind the Leninist strategy which the 'former' Communists are pursuing under cover of fake 'reform' and 'progress towards democracy'. The immediate strategic objective is 'convergence' with the West -- on their terms, not ours. The ultimate objective is Lenin's: replacement of nations states with collective regional governments as building blocks of the 'New World Social Order' -- World [Communist] Government."
The cold war may have never really ended. We are trying to build a missile defense system in Russia's backyard. Our CIA is playing gov't overthrow games with the old Soviet republics (Georgia). Russian air force actually shot down an unmanned drone over Georgia recently. Who do you think gave Georgia the drone? Also, Russian bombers have been escorted away from US airforce carriers on several recent occassions. Iran, our loudest nemesis, partners up with the Russians in several areas.
All of these are indicators of a cold war that has quietly continued.
I was on the bbc new site today and ran across this article about russia meeting with china attacking the U.S. missile shield plan. Check it out. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/world/24china.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
U.S. is not us and us is not we and we are not satisfied. We’re tired of the same thing and we’re ready to make change. Are we ready to make change?
and interesting. Obviously -- not a major "positive" outlook for the U.S.
The author hopes that people in the military, intelligence and ordinary life will see through the lies and refuse to obey orders to start this potential WWIII.
I agree with him that all our hope is in the people. I feel that an overwhelming majority of people are beginning to wake up and get the picture. The sooner the better!
BTM is already making a difference..
Nice response AdamAdamR. That's what I was looking for, someone to read the entire article and reply.
Strange that my original post received a -1 in far less time than it could possibly take to read the linked article. Perhaps some people on this site target writer rather than content.
somebody already tried to read the article but didn't get past the second paragraph because it was filled with unsubstantiated claims stated as facts. the fact that this article was irrelevant in every way may have made the reader come back here, vote the poster down for bringing this up, and then vote you down because you actually found the article thought provoking to the point where you derived an opinion about its content. also, it's just a vote. it's not like you got demoted. no whining please. i don't want to have to go and explain my reason for pressing a button.
As far as i am concerned, advertising drugs by showing a picture of your greasy mug sucking on an addictive substance is revolting.
I think you are a lying b@stard and a sh*t disturber.
You need a bath and a photo that does not degrade the very upstanding people on this site with your nicotine sucking, butt plugged, offensive Israeli-swareli Bull Sh*t!
This article was spot on and you just keep on showing yourself for subversive that you are.
Why don't you go and spew your filth on the ADL site or the SPLC site?
They will love you there.
Agree with swarelis on at least this article. It is, for the most part, pseudo- intellectual Lyndon LaRouche style tripe. Rothchilds, implied international Jewry ruling financial markets, etc. No footnotes or references for this assertion will be provided.
The thing I most resemble about your remarks is the greasy, addicted part. Been working on a tractor today, and in consequence am greasy. Sucking on a smoke and a Busch at this moment, working up some wind and need a butt plug. Been addicted to crack since my first taste early 60's, and hope to remain a crack addict as long as the women will allow. I also smell really bad.
Ad Hominem is the word(s), is the word(s), it has truth and has meaning.......Bee Gee's
sounds like you could use a smoke to calm you down
During his farewell address George Washington advised our fledgling nation to avoid foreign entanglements. He advised against making aliances with foreign entities. I understand the wisdom of this. I was just thinking that if indeed the US & Russia are slated for termination through mutual destruction, perhaps instead of wiping each other out we could join forces to combat our common foe.
With all due respect, you claim you understand the wisdom, but then you question that very wisdom with which you claim to understand... Yikes!
That is a dangerous way to think. That's why we have the problems with liberal bastardization of a solid Constitution by defining the "Living Constitution". Essentially, the liberals are saying "We understand the wisdom in the words of the Constitution, but..." as if to suggest the wisdom is not worth validating.
Look at every warning the founding fathers gave us, and then look at the results of the nation's defiance...
Avoid the dangers of a private Central Bank... (Federal Reserve is a completely failed entity, yet we are forced to trust it - and we take rate cuts as some saving grace to our fiscal failures).
Minimize government spending... (9 Trillion dollars in debt, and a policy of borrowing 1.5 billion dollars per day just to pay interest on other debt)
Avoid Excess in taxation... (No explanation needed).
Do not trust the government... (Not only does the nation believe the propaganda of the government, but they have become dependent on it).
Maintain an unbiased press... (We wouldn't be having this discussion on this forum if not for the completely biased MSM).
Maintain eternal vigilance to maintain freedoms... (We became a complacent, welfare state that trusts the government explicitly to do everything for us, and you know what? They are... in the form of stripping us of every civil liberty protection guaranteed by the Constitution)
Now, please, give me one good reason why you would think that THIS time, the founding fathers were wrong --
I don't think the founding Fathers were wrong, I didn't even say that I agree with the article, just that I found it thought provoking. It is different from anything I had read in a long time. I like the "avoid foreign entanglements" idea, it's just that we are already entangled. Also if given the choice I would rather have the Russians as allies than to be fighting against them in WWIII. Just as this article had mentioned. It was a new idea I had not seen anywhere else, & I simply wanted you all to read it & sound off on it. Which you have. Thank you.
I hear ya. I get what you are saying. I think the difference of opinion is that you feel restricted by the choice of ally or enemy, whereas I would rather not have the russians as an ally or an enemy. They are a global neighbor with which free trade should be encouraged...
The problem when you take sides (which is evident by the U.S. historical positioning in foreign affairs in which it has no business being) is that your ally is someone else's enemy, so by creating an ally, you have created an enemy through association.
There's a lot to be said for neutrality -- when was the last time you heard about Sweden, Austria, Ireland, or Finland engaging in any kind of global conflict? (Not in your lifetime)
Just because we are already "entangled" doesn't mean we can't untangle ourselves from the web we weaved ourselves. The problem with Americans (as a whole) is that a majority think along those same lines and continue to facilitate that by electing officials who don't understand (or don't care about) our NEED to become untangled. That's why sites like this exist, why the message of liberty is so important, and why this movement is gaining so much strength and support - it's to break people's minds away from continuing to think the way the government tells them to think. In somuch as I say that, then I invite you to really think about just how "thought-provoking" it is for an article to continue to feed the mindless drivel and only presents the reader with the options of enemy or ally.
Incidentally, and for the record, I marked your comment up and not down because I appreciate where you are going with that... Breaking the collective mindset of a lifetime of brainwashing at the hands of scrupulous and biased media tactics is not an easy task and is not an overnight thing. I oftentimes find myself taking sides with things before I should, but once I step back and make sure I have all of the sides (focusing on Constitutionality and liberty) then I know I am good-to-go in my swallowing that red pill and moving on to the next.
Excellent response DeltaRho2K. And I must say that after reading it, it is the best one yet. There is indeed a 3rd choice, a chocie other than ally or enemy, and that we CAN untangle ourselves. Sometimes I think that I'm so down on the way things are that I dismiss the possibility that things can improve BEFORE it all falls to pieces. Thanks.
That's why people find it so easy to cling to messages of "hope" and "change" from a particular candidate that shall remain unnamed. The MSM could take anybody who could stand up and say those two buzz words with a straight face, and manipulate the minds of the public into believing that if it's not what the current administration is doing, then by default, it has to be better/good choice... because it's the "other" choice...
Until they understand that the "other" choice is no better than, if not is worse than the first choice... and open their minds to a third option - that of liberty, then it's a lost cause...
Keep expanding...
Liberate more minds - and always look for ALL of the options - don't let others dictate to you that it HAS to be one way or the other...