When I was watching the diggs go up last night, I noticed I could not find the story any more while doing a search without checking the "show buried stories" check box, which means it was censored out (this happened around 70 diggs i think). But now when I search for it, it can't find it at all. It has been completely removed from their searches! You can still get to the story by following the link on the front page of BtM, but you can't find it by going to Digg.
I used to be a heavy Digg user. I liked the stories that were submitted most of the time and the comments showed both sides of an argument. But it has turned into something that I don't enjoy as much. The comments don't invite open debate anymore. While there are still a lot of intelligent comments, they are usually laced with insults. And stories get buried before anyone gets to see them, just because they may mention Ron Paul or something else they a small group of people may not like. If they are organized, they can get together and bury the story before anyone gets a chance.
I realize it is a community driven site, so it is the community that decides what will make it to the front page. Thats why I don't want to be a part of that community anymore. I pledge to not visit Digg anymore. Is anyone else with me or am I off base?
BTW, The story sits at 227 diggs as of this writing. Thats a lot of diggs considering the story can't even be reached from Digg any more. Imagine how many diggs it would have if it were allowed to make it to the front page.
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I'm a little late-blooming, and just signed up on Digg maybe three days ago to vote for some Ron Paul items... Do articles become buried at Digg by other members? If that is the case, it feels odd that for as many passionate RP supporters as there are, there are even more who care enough to bury anything about him. Maybe the site doesn't work that way, but if it is a popular vote type of deal, what do others care if Ron Paul gets attention or not. The people I talk to about Ron Paul who say he can't win don't seem to feel the need to attack him or anything.
The way I understand it, once a story is "buried" it is buried permanently. A group of user has decided that anything having to do with Ron Paul is spam, so they formed a kind of task force to search the upcoming articles and bury those stories before anyone else has seen them. Thus effectively censoring Ron Paul off of Digg. And because Break the Matrix is considered a Ron Paul site by this group, I would expect any story submitted from here is going to be buried also. As was the case with the story that was submitted about the grand opening of BtM.
If you are going to be a regular user of Digg, be warned that most of the users encourage combative responses to comments by giving them up-votes. It is a very clique-y community, at least in my experience.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams
You know that quote is great, but no one really likes the irate tireless minority for setting brush fires any more.
Or at least that is the impression I perceive. Most people like the path of least resistance. Sad, unfortunate and true. However, most people forget what the irate, tireless minority where like then. They where not tippy toers around issues, and political correctness was taken for what it is, a farce.
Clique-y communities seem to be the norm now days... Im so glad I moved
There seem to be a lot of complaints here about other people doing exactly what the Ron Paul supporters have been doing for the past year.
I'm not a user of Digg, and won't be because I've heard too many complaints about it, but to complain about a small minority affecting the ratings of postings seems very hypocritical to me, coming from RP supporters.
As soon as you step out of a community of free choice and move into one that only agrees with you, then it may as well be a cult, not a freedom movement.
That's the problem with democracy. Only those interested enough to vote will do it, which leaves the system open to abuse from dedicated, minority groups. This is a problem that BTM is going to have to face and overcome if it is not to end up in the same predicament.
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It's not that a small minority is "affecting the ratings of postings." It's that there is a group of people who bury anything that gets submitted just because it says Ron Paul in the title, or in the case of the submission announcing the birth of Break the Matrix, because it is a liberty minded organization. I never heard of the Ron Paul supporters on Digg burying stories on Obama/Clinton/McCain/ or any other candidates, which is what your are implying.
Also, I am not advocating that Digg or BtM should be a site that only agrees with me or my point of view. I encourage quite the opposite actually. I am making an effort to give people up-votes when their comments are constructive and non-insulting even if they disagree with me. And I encourage others to do the same.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams
I was never that big into Digg myself, but even I have noticed recently how fast things can get buried & disappear over there. Even stories that received a lot of diggs in a short period of time (which used to mean the story had legs)! Vanished. I dont need Digg anymore than Digg needs me - so they can go Cheney themselves for all i care. It seems that Digg is becoming a part of the matrix itself - - - so break it as well!!
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Wikipedia is much the same. I've made minor additions (edits) to articles and included documented references but if it goes against the status quo or sounds in any way conspiratorial, some watchdog soon deletes it. Big Brother sees all.
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digg finally completely deleted my account after being a very frequent user for over two years. I promise that the great majority of my hundreds of comments were completely free of ad hominems or bad language. They never said anything to me, my login just stopped working...it happened soon after I started commenting and submitting every video I could find in the "US soldier abuses Iraqis genre" and posting Hnery Kissinger quotes along with them. This happened right after the "dog video" deal hit the news cycle and I couldn't believe no one seemed to care about killing children. It had become clear that massive digg rigging had been going on anyway so it is probably good that I don't waste my time there any more.
I had also been following the comments of the three or four guys who ALWAYS showed up to bash anything related to libertarianism, Ludwig Von Mises,Lew Lockwell, Ron Paul, WTC7 etc. I never would have even known about Alex Jones and John Birch Society, "None Dare Call It A Conspiracy" or any of the forbidden conspiracy theories...but I soon learned that the same goons all showed up to trash those articles just as reliably as they attacked completely academic articles on monetary policy.
I'm not really a fan of people who talk about the crimes of the very small minority of the US Military members in Iraq. These people are a minority and it's unfair to use them to characterize the military's actions based on their actions as an individual.
Regards,
Ryan McAdams
You have to understand it isn't just about the small minority of the military that actually commit these crimes, but the deeper problems that manifest themselves in these situations. There is a mindset of "Us vs Them", a superiority complex, to the extent of seeing anyone your government tells you is "bad" as less than human. Check out Taxi to the Dark Side for a very real example of this.
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Really... so I need to understand this right? Have you been in the Military? Did you serve in Iraq? Were you privy to what the Military was told when they went into Iraq?
You see... I was.
I served with the United States Marines as Infantry/Mortuary Affairs when I was in Iraq. I can assure you as someone who was with the initial invasion force I know what I was told. Our ROE at the time was not to fire unless fired upon. That didnt happen very often. I can also tell you that we were told not to destroy infrastructure unless it was mission critical. We didnt.
See it's funny to me that you're trying to explain to me what the mindeset was of people like me who served there. Never was it an "Us vs. Them" for me or anyone in my unit. I can't speak for the entire military but I can assure you my unit is in the majority.
It's painful for me to read posts like this where people who arent fully aware of what happened there are trying to speak as though they are.
Regards,
Ryan McAdams
Many of your fellow soldiers dont think like you.
"Us vs. Them" for me or anyone in my unit. I can't speak for the entire military but I can assure you my unit is in the majority.-----------"but I can assure you my unit is in the majority... So what your saying is that the majority believe the opposite of what he stated to you?
On another note there are MANY of your fellow soldiers whos testimony will prove you to be a lier when you say "Never was it an "Us vs. Them", and "Our ROE at the time was not to fire unless fired upon. That didnt happen very often. I can also tell you that we were told not to destroy infrastructure unless it was mission critical. We didnt."
Below you can find videos, and articles that will prove these lies... Some of these Men where Sergeants in the Marines. Are you calling them a liar??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oosB7YqROc
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So it is possible then to know what conditions are like, and what is going on there by the eye witness accounts, which are all over the net. It is not us telling this, it is them telling us this, and we are listening very attentively to them...
Bottom line you're an arm chair quarterback. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Did atrocities happen over there... ABSOLUTELY. Did people die un-necessarily... YES (on all sides). Did some Marines, Sailors, Soldiers and Airmen commit unthinkable acts because they were either unsupervised or supervised by bad apples... you're damned right they did.
That does not mean that these were the directives.. that does not mean this is what we were forced to do. We were specifically told as I said above not to fire unless fired upon. Not to destroy infrastructure because we would have to rebuild it.
The REASON all of these cases get such publicity is because its SENSATIONALIST. Reporting on the truth... that we were told to not fire until fired upon.. that we were told not to destroy infrastructure unless absolutely necessary to the mission does not gain ratings. That's why you hear these stories.
I'm glad that you feel like your internet warriorship is going to make this world a better place but you are not going to affect change at all by slamming the Military every chance you get I assure you. You my friend will never be a catalyst for change... quite the opposite. You see the Military is what protects this country... there are bad apples, there are bad people but the majority of the people are good people. When you go on the attack against the Military the way you have you discredit yourself to the point where no one even cares what you say.
I'd suggest if you ever want to be taken seriously you find a more constructive way to make your points. If you want to be a catalyst for change or help people see the truth you yourself are going to have accept the truth when you hear it.
I served my country in Iraq. I was in the US Marine Corps Infantry serving as Mortuary Affairs. I personally sent home 119 Marines who passed away. I to this day remember all 119 faces of those men and I still remember a good portion of their names.
I’ve went through years of therapy to cope with what I had to do over there and I damn sure am not going to let my reputation as a US Marine be tarnished by lies and deceit of people who don’t even have the courage to step up and serve their country, affect change and make this country a better place. When you've served, when you've reached your hand into the still warm chest cavity of a fellow Marine hit by sniper fire to identify him to send him home to his family, when you've been given the ROE for a combat situation then sir you can act as though you have a damn clue as to what happened or was said over there.
The bad apples get the publicity... those of us who did our jobs, did so respectfully get nothing. I nearly broke my neck in Iraq while receiving mortar fire. I had to have my cervical spine fused because of an injury nearly a year after returning home. I am not going to sit back and let you tell me what I was told to do, what my unit was told to do or make generalizations based on the few bad apples out there.
It's quite probable that some people lost their minds over there. It's quite probable that while under the intense pressure you've never experienced of making decisions while taking fire from combatants the wrong decisions were made and it's no secret that innocent people died in Iraq. That doesn't mean that everyone went over there with a "Kill them all and let God sort them out" mentality.
Those that did will be judged by their respective God's and trying to make it seem as though they were given these orders only proves that they were unable to actually stand up for what is right.
I know I personally would have rather been court martialed than act like these men and women. They are a disgrace to our country and deserve no admiration or respect. They should have had a spine and done the right thing... not been a coward and done the wrong thing. They cannot make up for the sins they have committed by publicly denouncing the Military because of their actions. They had a choice between right and wrong... and they made the wrong damn decision and that doesn’t give you the right to attack the entire Military as if they are sheep that do nothing other than what they are told.
I cannot wait for an ignore feature so that I can ignore your posts in the future as they are nothing short of nerve racking.
Regards,
Ryan McAdams
Thanks for posting this, Ryan. I oppose the war but I respect the people who serve in the military. It's good to hear your perspective.
I'm retird from The Navy and I'm with Ryan on this. He's dead on. You want to attack the administration... go ahead. Leave him and the rest of our Military members out of it.
I'm with you on this one Mr. McAdams and I take offense to the gentleman who said we (armed forces veterans) are mercenaries.
You shouldn't take offense. If you did, you didn't understand it. Our country's borders have not been threatened for almost 200 years. Just because some well thought out propaganda makes us think we are fighting for causes does not make it so.
Those who serve do so with the most noble of intentions. I submit to you that our government (the puppet masters) takes those intentions and uses them for their purpose not the purpose of our country's citizens. By definition, they are mercenaries.
I admit I'm not the smartest guy (or computer user) but you just weren't very cordial here.
You're right.. he's dumb...
How obtuse are you? Perhaps if he didn’t understand it you did not do a good enough job explaining your position. Calling the Military members mercenaries is just rude and extremely uncalled for.
If you want to talk about mercenaries make a thread about Blackwater and then we can do so but to vilify our Military men and women by calling them mercenaries is not only wrong but it shows poor taste on your part.
I'll give you that there was some B.S. in the reasoning we went to Iraq - I do not support George Bush's decision and never did. I however was able to see the good (and the bad) that came out of us being there.
That all said Joe I think what you need to understand is that I am on the same page as you mostly. I support the Freedom message and I do want to bring our troops home from not only Iraq but the other 130 countries we are in. I believe in Ron Paul's stance (and by proxy our founding fathers stance) on Foriegn Policy. I believe we need to set the example and not force ourselves on other countries.
I just don’t believe that it's a fair assertion that because Military members choose to join the Military and are sent to fight they should be labeled as a mercenary which in and of itself is an abominable title to bestow on the young men and women serving our country.
Regards,
Ryan McAdams
"I just don’t believe that it's a fair assertion that because Military members choose to join the Military and are sent to fight they should be labeled as a mercenary which in and of itself is an abominable title to bestow on the young men and women serving our country."
That is not the reason. The reason is for what is, and has been taking place over there from day one. And yes, you have destroyed infrastructure, and killed innocents, and there is nothing you can say that is going to change what people around the world know.
Armchair quarterback huh punk?
I come from a military family, my brother is over there right now, I have heard these things from him as well.
So dont think yourself to special because of your post traumatic stress syndrome.
Thank you for the kind words.
Mr. McAdams,
Although I agree with much of what you say about the U.S. soldier I had to go back and look at what started this verbal attack. In doing that, I feel something needs to be said to counter this argument of yours.
Initially, the comment was made (in my opinion) to show the relationship between U.S. Policy and the end result which is numerous civilian casualties. The U.S. armed forces carried out these atrocities against a country of civilians that pose no threat to America but to her puppet masters. Whether you like it or not, our armed forces are being used as mercenaries to achieve a despicable agenda rather than protectors of our country and it’s citizens.
Also, you should be careful in deciding that those who did not serve do not have the courage to fight for this country. That is far from the truth. Some of these men you look down on for not serving as a mercenary may someday die in the real fight for freedom that is approaching this country. Today we fight with our keyboards knowing tomorrow we may be fighting with our guns.
I have had many friends and family in the military and their service is commendable even if the use of their service by our government is not.
The crimes in Iraq are by the government that planned the invasion not the patriots who feel they are there as a call to defend our freedom. Our freedom will be fought for on our land not on the other side of the earth where the land is pregnant with oil.
Amen Joe, you put it much better than I could have.
This is exactly why we are here today. Great points.
Trevor Lyman
http://www.BreakTheMatrix.com
It's really sad, Trevor, because I think the success you had with your Money bombs had a lot to do with Digg and other social networking sites. And now your next project will not even make it to the front page because a small percentage of Digg users doesn't want the rest of the community to see it.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams
Digg did help the money bombs but was by no means critical. It gave around 10% of all traffic. We'll be fine. :)
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I use to like it as well but it was like in a single day suddenly nothing on Ron Paul, it was the Obama Clinton Show chocked full of every propaganda story in the news. I started burying every day and finally I grew tired of it. They have made themselves obsolete by becoming just another mouthpiece. Youtube has done the same thing. I rarely see Ron Paul videos anymore. It's like they figure out where we are and then carpet bomb the place with bad ads.