Elsewhere on this forum, several of us have been having a fine old time debating the Congress' infamous 90-year-old IRS check-skimming scam.
On behalf of the estimated 67 million law-abiding Nontaxpayers and other non-filers who no longer pay the DC al Qaeda their pound of flesh, I assert that the Congress is busted. I assert that they have no game; that there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code establishing a duty for the average American living and working in the 50 States to keep records for al Qaeda, or file forms with them, or pay their demands for money.
We -- the new generation of Nontaxpayers -- are no longer a fringe group as the old "tax protestors" of the 1940s, 50s, and 60s were. Not only are there tens of millions of us, but we are professionals including CPAs and attorneys; including former IRS employees and attorneys. We are doctors, engineers, architects, entrepreneurs, and business owners.
We do not follow or even support any of the countless, loopy 'theories of law' that you can find on the IRS's "frivolous arguments" website. We only rely on what we can actually read in the Internal Revenue Code, and in the Code of Federal Regulations, and in well-settled US Supreme Court and federal appellate court rulings.
“realizing and receiving income on earnings is not a privilege that can be taxed. . . Since the right to receive income or earnings is a right belonging to every person, this right cannot be taxed as a privilege” Redfield v. Fisher, 292 P 819 [Oreg. 1930]; Cole v. MacFarland, 337 S.W. 2d 456 [Tenn. 1960]
So, the government can tax the use of a privilege. For example, it can tax a corporation for the privilege of even existing; a corporation is “an artificial entity which owes its existence and charter powers to the state.” It can declare an excise on “the particular privilege of doing business in a corporate capacity.” It can tax “special rights, belonging to the individual or class, and not to the mass . . . an exemption from some general burden, obligation or duty” Redfield, 819; Flint, 151; Cole, 456
In the case of an income tax, the tax is “laid upon the happening of an event [the use of a privilege], as distinguished from its tangible fruits [the income].” In such a case, “the tax is imposed upon the doing of business of the character described, and the measure of the tax is to be the income” Eisner v. Macomber, 252 U.S. 206-7 [1920]; Tyler v. United States, 281; Flint, 146
“The sixteenth [16th Amendment] does not justify the taxation of persons or things previously immune...it does not extend taxing power to new or excepted citizens... it is intended only to remove all occasions from any apportionment of income taxes among the states. It does not authorize a tax on a salary.” Evans v. Gore, 253 US 245 (1920)
The corrupt Congress must do something to stem the exodus out of their IRS 'fair share' line or the fat cats will begin to have to cut back on their lifestyles. Since all of them are multi-millionaires -- some of them worth hundreds of millions, with their families as beneficiaries in offshore trusts -- they do not want more Taxpayers becoming law-abiding Nontaxpayers. Something must be done.
As I posit on my American Glasnost blog, I believe the corrupt US Congress has had its disastrous 'Fairy Tax' waiting in the wings for that time when the IRS terrorists are simply not able to hold enough Taxpayers in terror any longer. Then, the politicians will propose their 'Fair Tax" as the dawn of a new era...no more IRS! You are free! No more April 15th!!!
Of course, if you're still in the Taxpayer line right now, you'll jump right from the frying pan into the fire. Seeing the Fairy Tax as your savior, you will support its passage...and usher in a virutally limitless sales tax such as many European nations struggle under today.
We must avoid a national sales tax at all costs!! But I'm jumping ahead. Back to the present town hall discussion here:
I am David Zuniga, P.E., an architectural engineer in a one-man private building design practice in the San Antonio, TX area. I have read the Tax Code and cases in tax law since 1998 but I am not an attorney nor do I attempt to offer tax or legal advice. However, I reserve my God-given right to speak in public, and my right as a free Texan and party to the Constitution for the united States of America, to hold my public employees accountable for obeying all laws and federal regulations, and for adhering to their oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution, rather than violating it while pretending to defend it.
In other words, I am NOT anti-tax; I am anti-corruption. I like the Tax Code just fine as it is, and I believe it would be DISASTROUS to get rid of it for anything else. I maintain that We the People, in order to resist and overcome government corruption, dare not resort to corruption or lawlessness ourselves. Two wrongs do not make a right, and because we still have an excellent Constitution and a perfectly fine Tax Code, it would be pure folly -- disaster -- to resort to civil disobedience or armed rebellion to beat back the usurpations of the Leviathan State.
I believe I can make the case that it is more proven effective in the course of history to defeat a much larger force by starving them out. If it is not illegal (of course), this Tax Honesty financial embargo is a lawful, peaceful, patriotic way to turn the tide of American self-government. And as I said, an estimated 67 million Americans are already part of that principled, peaceful embargo of the DC al Qaeda.
Thus far, my debate opponents have been Dan Chapman, C.P.A., a practicing tax accountant (from where, I do not know) and Kelvin McCabe, Esq., a practicing criminal defense attorney from Chicago who says, "I represent your average criminals - you know...drugs, guns, hookers...". [His words, not mine.]
I would characterise the upshot of both my opponents' debate positions thus far (read their posts and judge for yourself) as pragmatic as opposed to idealistic. This is not to suggest either man is unprincipled, but I must point out the obvious: whereas my design clients never require me to skirt the law or get "off the hook", the clients of tax accountants and criminal defense attorneys expect it as a matter of course.
I am not attempting to besmirch either of my past debate opponents, or dissuade any potential new ones from this ongoing BTM town hall forum. I am only pointing out the rather obvious ethical landscape of each of our professions. I'm sure if I was charged with murder or rape, I would want Mr. McCabe to be the very best he can be at criminal defense. If I thought I owed a million bucks to IRS but that Mr. Chapman could find a "work around", I would want to avoid giving them what I owed. It would be wrong, but I know that CPAs clients demand this all the time.
Ideals and ethics and morals are all intertwined in the subject of corruption in the federal government, you see. Ethics and morals cannot be teased from the discussion of this republic's future, without the entire fabric unraveling. And this leads me to several other active members of the discussion thus far:
Tom Mullen needs no introduction. Strange to say it as a devout Christian, but Tom is a proud agnostic (claims he is not atheist; I don't know the nuances) yet has been perhaps the most enjoyable, fruitful discussion partner here for me. I've enjoyed Tom's honesty, humor, and zeal for truth and justice. In this "IRS scam" debate, Tom has just begun to ask what I consider the key questions to understanding where in congressional history one must search, to find where the bodies are buried in the IRS debacle.
Two other active participants in the discussion thus far -- both avowed atheists -- have been Claire and Scott ('blue outhouse Scott' from Oregon). These two forum members, when they drop their barrage against God, have actually been very cogent, insightful, and honest in their discussion of the Tax Honesty issue, which knows no religious camps.
I also note other people young and old who have chimed in so far: "ObamabinLaden", "liberty-4-ever", "livefreeurdie", "libertariun", "Dolly Llama 77", "AdamAdamR", and I'm sure I'm missing others. I appreciate the fact that people here CARE about getting to the end of the money trail, and turning the republic around.
It's no small thing that Nontaxpayers also turn their own businesses and personal lives around once they are free of superstition, terrorist conditioning, and generations of family tradition that "everyone knows you have to file!" but no one has ever seen a copy of the Tax Code!
I will lay out some evidence for the Tax Honesty position presntly. But let me say that, contrary to the protestations of my worthy opponents in debate, Tax Honesty is not "my" grup, or "my" movement. I am no leader in the movement, nor do I have any following. I am just one of tens of millions of Nontaxpayers, who has done a decade of research and produced an educational blog to present the results of that research.
Though in my profession I am an analytical pragmatist, in my citizen duties and passion I am very much a lover of liberty and the Constitution -- and an idealist. When it comes to the seminal issues of modern self-government, I don't adhere to a thesis or adopt a way of life because I stand to gain more wealth, power, or ease. By the best lights I have from my own research, I adhere to a thesis and/or a way of life because it is right...because it advances the cause of truth and of liberty for my generation and the ones to come, including my grandchildren.
Most often, my online debates about Tax Honesty over the past five years have been against CPAs and tax attorneys, against an investment banker, against a few pastors and elders of Christian churches, and against my own siblings (both brothers and sisters). The debates often -- almost unfailingly -- become acrimonious to the point of serious emotional trauma; I am reminded of letters from family members in the period preceding the War for Independence and Lincoln's War To Enslave the States -- where even family bonds were not sufficient to quell the passions of these weighty matters of life in America!
To you who live in foreign lands: take notes. Think on these principles not in terms of the minutiae of Tax Code sections and turns of lawyerly phrase; think on the ethics and morality undergirding the principles in contest. The journalists' dictum is "follow the money", and in every age of man, in every country and culture, that dictum holds: follow the money.
Please understand then, that this debate is not at root about taxes. It is about the corruption of three branches of a federal government, which three originally stood as designed in magnificent, unique counterpoise against one another and against the fallen nature of man.
This corruption can in great part be traced to that fateful year 1913: in one disastrous Congress, this republic fell to the 16th Amendment, the (more disastrous!) 17th Amendment, and the Federal Reserve Banking Act. No Congress was ever more corrupt, giving birth to three such monsters from that same nefarious womb!
So. It began in the time of my grandparents, before the world wars. Much has happened since then, including this present Information Revolution, that now opens all of history, law, economics, and geopolitics for inspection by anyone with a sound mind and a computer terminal. Thus 67 million Americans -- with one motive or another and with more or less legal support for their stand -- no longer file IRS returns. Whether you think this is good or bad, it is the way things are. And several million new non-filers join the Tax Honesty exodus each year.
Obviously, business as usual will not continue in D.C.; something is going to change, drastically, within the coming generation. The direction of that change -- whether armed revolt and chaos with police-state crackdown, or whether a time of unsurpassed individual liberty and shrinking federal power -- will be largely determined on what WE THE PEOPLE do, not by what Leviathan does.
We The People are 300 million strong, and among these are us 67 million Nontaxpayers. No police state or military force on earth can beat back such a force -- if that force is of one mind.
The only way to bring a critical mass of Americans behind Tax Honesty is to make the case both from a moral/ethical standpoint, and from a pragmatic one.
I hope we will now do that, together. You are welcome to comment.
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How did this debate turn into a religious debate?? Take your religious discussions to the other thread I have been watching from the sidelines.
well. i was watching a clip of Richard Dawkins yesterday wherein he cited studies that related intelligence to religious belief. it looks like the more intelligent you are the less likely you'll be to believe in superstitions. it follows that the less intelligent you are, the more religious you'll be. hence, the religious proclamations creeping up on the losing side of every argument all the time.
Notice that my comment relating the beliefs of the Gnostics was immediately voted down by several people. It did not say that the gnostic beliefs were correct, or that they were better, or that I believed them. It merely said what they were, and the fact that the gnostics were exterminated by the Catholic Church (which they were - even the Church acknowledges that with pride).
This is the reaction of religious fundamentalists - confront them with any facts that they find threatening and they react with fear and loathing, will not listen to you, and in a verbal conversation will often just shout you down and walk away - so afraid are they that what you say might be correct.
If you take a sober look at the reactions to you and I even questioning any aspect of the "Tax Honesty" movement, you will see that the reaction has been very similar. No matter what we have said - even if it was just a question seeking clarification or challenging a non-vital aspect of the argument - if it didn't wholeheartedly confirm "Tax Honesty" then it was met with a response of fear and loathing, laden with personal attacks and suggestions that we must be "one of them." No fact calling the argument into question can be allowed to be spoken. The "heretics" must be burned. It was people like this that tortured Copernicus and scared Galileo into retracting his heliocentric theory of the solar system. I think they'd love to be able to do likewise to us.
Consider what you are dealing with when you make your rational, well-reasoned arguments or challenges. You might do better with a crucifix or a string of garlic. :)
Tom Mullen
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"Hey Mullins, go back through your losing arguments one by one. You're asking stupid questions. The lawyer is using the same crap that the IRS uses by word-weaseling, go on and read it again, champion. No, you won't do that because it will prove dmzuniga's point. The IRS scam is all about weaseling around with words and DEFRAUDING people."
Sounds just like what I've been calling YOU guys out on this whole time. So back at ya chap.
The never ending circle continues.
Tom Mullen
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"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Pete
http://www.breakthematrix.com/content/Where-did-the-ONLY-Tom-Mullens-Rel...
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams
Talking about a belief is one thing. Telling people about your beliefs is okay too, but trying to impose your religion on others is profoundly un-Americain, can we all agree on that?
http://www.breakthematrix.com/content/Where-did-the-ONLY-Tom-Mullens-Rel...
I am defending my right not to believe in anything supernatural. I don't understand why you consider that to be imposing. Do you feel threatened in some way?
You are welcome to take it here, if you like:
http://breakthematrix.com/content/Should-religion-be-off-limits
these people are beyond threatened.
they need a change of underwear at this point.
i don't blame them for complaining.
their delusions are being shot down whenever they pop up.
Tom Mullen
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"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Pete
Reading through the "christians vs. atheist" comments usually has the christian on the attack and the atheist on the defense. Very aggressive words, sir, in response to a very calm comment.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams
"I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
Tom Mullen
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"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Pete
Tom,
I just delivered one deadline design project but still behind on a second deadline with two clients in the queue. I'll not be here full-time in future, as I was for several weeks prior.
I opened this discussion in good faith, stated my reasons in the opening articles. I have tried to always be supportive of your articles, etc and we have had a great deal of fun on this forum -- that is saying something, since I am Christian, and you seem to have a serious burr in your saddle for Christianity.
I am here demanding that EVERYONE here take your profanities, your trash-talking, and your religion-bashing to other areas of BTM. This forum is meant as a serious discussion of Tax Honesty, which is if not THE most vital tactical issue presently, is certainly among the top two.
If your life goal is irritating the Christian, Jew, atheist, Muslim, Hindu, Taoist... can you go elsewhere than this Tax Honesty discussion, to do it? (I saw a 'Tom Mullen Religion' thread has begun; I won't even peek today, but I'm sure it will be very productive. Can bloggers just GROW UP, for God's sake?)
Tom, if you promise to stop the asinine irritations, you're welcome to stay; you and Claire seemed to be on some good issues earlier, but you obviously had not even done the basal reading that I asked you to do, or those issues would have been answered for you.
On that point, distinguo: I spent ten years wading through every goofy 'tax protestor' theory and group you can imagine. I found about 85% of the theories and 'little known facts' to be garbage; truly hallucinatory. Admiralty law, the UCC-1 stuff, the secret contracts with Corporate USA, the "wages aren't income", the ALL CAPITALS lunacy...if you want a comprehensive list, go to the IRS website on "frauds, scams..." or whatever it's called. I agree with every one of them EXCEPT where they allege that there is truly a law making EVERYONE liable for the income tax.
There simply is no such language in the Tax Code, and that IS THE CORE OF THE FRAUD. As I said on my site, Tom, the thing about fraud is that it actually does deceive people.
You are low on the learning curve in tax law, as are 99% of Taxpayers. That can be expected, can it not, if you've never even opened the pages of the Internal Revenue Code? Yes; and so you are ignorant of a subject in which you pretend to be extremely astute -- interpretation of the Tax Code.
Your essential position with respect to the Tax Code and the history, law, and political tactics of the past 90 years (upon which subject you are a virtual first-page novice) is to demean those who hold to one side of the discussion using ad hominem as is your wont on other parts of these fora, with respect to Christianity.
Your line has been essentially, "It's just logic, Zuniga! I'm an intellecutual and 'your followers' are dupes...toothless acolytes living in mobile home parks...homeschooling their wall-eyed, barefoot children! (Oh, and did you know about the prophet Hoofah in 623 B.C.? Have you considered the merits of Gnosticism?)" I see that the only participants on this forum who have cheered you on have another thing in common, and that is your affinity group: anti-Christianity.
This is problematic for the efficacy of this forum thread for several reasons. First, it is infuriating many people (some of whom, I admit, can neither spell nor punctuate, and most of whom continue to use the irksome blogger habit of traveling under a false name) not only because you so disparage them personally (based on their demographic: Christian, homeschooler, Nontaxpayer) by calling them idiots.
Secondly, it clouds the scoreboard. Truth does exist in tax law; the wording of a law can be read in English by anyone who is literate in our language. The general principal of law (not just tax law) is that if a person of average intelligence cannot understand a law, then that law was void ab initio and a legal nullity. It has no force, Tom. IT IS NO LAW.
Notice I am not proposing that the Tax Code falls into this category for anyone who READS it; indeed, it becomes increasingly persicuous that the Congress was just as shrewd as any multi-trillion-dollar fraud operation could ever have been. If you doubt this characterisation of the Congress' actions in 1913-14, then you are as ignorant of history as you are of tax law. You alone can breach that lacuna: take up and read!
But back to the "void for vagueness" doctrine of legislation as it specifically relates to the claims of the Tax Honesty movement that there is no law making the average American, living and working in one of the 50 States and not in DC, Guam, etc,; and not engaged in any of the taxable activities specifically enumerated in the Tax Code -- liable for keeping records, filing forms, or paying demands from IRS. We millions of Nontaxpayers (whether 30 million or 67 million hardly matters; 30 million is a HUGE group) are serendipitously enforcing the limitations of the US Constitution by financial embargo, while simply demanding that the IRS leave us alone unless we break the law.
If the IRS has a claim (Nontaxpayers are breaking the law and so they owe us money, "X" amount), then the place to lodge that claim is in a court in front of a jury of that Nontaxpayer's peers. If there really IS a law that has been broken, then it is the government's duty to show the law that was violated or else the "defendant" should never have even been indicted.
In this case, a faulty indictment is issued by an administrative bureaucracy whose sole purpose is to raise $1,000,000,000,000 every year from the poor beast of burden in the Taxpayer "fair share" line. Make no mistake, this is the sole mission of the Internal Revenue Service. To keep the torrent flowing, the agency increasingly must PRESS PRESUMPTIVE CONCLUSIONS (as John puts it, "assumes facts not in evidence") on a Grand Jury that doesn't know A from B. All they know is what they have heard all their lives from the income tax industry's gravy-train propaganda. The IRS team shows up with PENALTY statutes on an indictment -- and THIS IS ALL THEY EVER HAVE! A penalty statute, obviously, is only triggered AFTER a law has been violated!
So we are back to where we began, in the bowels of The Matrix (the heat and steam blurring our vision and making our heads pound, eh? I can see Claire's eyes crossing from here, poor little 'good witch'!) with the same question we posed at the outset: WHERE IS THE LAW?
If al Qaeda spokesmen have Section 1(a)1(A) of the Tax Code as their best shot, then I assert that the "taxable income" of any individual is determined from the REST of the Code, and the rest of the Code offers MANY taxable activities BUT NOT MINE. Then I show well-settled law (many USSC rulings) and legal doctrine, definitions, and professional rules supporting the Tax Honesty position: if there are places in a tax statute showing specific sources of income that are taxed (including all manner of salary, rent, interest, etc IN THOSE CATEGORIES OF PRIVILEGED ACTIVITY...alcohol, tobacco, firearms, explosives, merchant shipping, foreign-earned income, etc) then one may safely assume that what is NOT specifically called out in the Tax Code is NOT taxable.
This is simply truth, Tom. It is neither illogical nor unlawful in the least. It happens to break the spell that crooks have had on Taxpayers for generations and is thus terribly inconvenient to millions whose fortunes depend on the continued fraud. Many of these will do whatever -- whatever it takes, to assure their scam does not fall. I hate to tell them: history is against you. Tax Honesty and the internet have "conspired" against your conspiracy. You are busted.
And I am back to work, for God's sake. Carry on, folks.
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"Secondly, it clouds the scoreboard. Truth does exist in tax law; the wording of a law can be read in English by anyone who is literate in our language. The general principal of law (not just tax law) is that if a person of average intelligence cannot understand a law, then that law was void ab initio and a legal nullity. It has no force, Tom. IT IS NO LAW."
Ask Kelvin what 'idiocy' means and the 'average' american is Tom and Claire which interpreted the code just fine. To whom makes the standard as to whom is an average citizen?? Playing DUMB only works for so long. It sounds like you're going to need to study A LOT more law if that is how you interpret law. Kelvin can fill you in if you like.
Talking to my collector friend yesterday about this discussion and he had a good point.
It's movements like 'Tax Honesty' that causes government to OVER-REGULATE. If they have to continue to 'plug holes' to assure everyone is satisfied with the 'lingo' then you're having to cater to a lower intelligence each and every 'idiocy' occurs so the can cater to the lowest intelligence in society.
I to wish the law was written in plain english. But the standard is more becoming not what 'idiocy' that you can come up with but 'what would another prudent person do in the same situation.' This allows them to use statistics to give a standard to how low of an idiocy will be allowed.
We also ask YOU to READ all the links we have sent and expect a report in 2 weeks as to what your falacies are. Once we KNOW you have read our links and then still disagree with us then we will even test your theory and write those affadavits and the like you suggest. However, until you do I don't think your going to convince most of us with a college degree. A small pecent maybe. I'll admit it is mostly what has gotten me intrigued to most to be part of this movement to begin with. But all my research has found falacies that have been proven with court cases in recent years and you guys want to try to use precedence for new laws. Kelvin can tell you law doesn't work that way and he has been trying to explain that to you as well in his posts with Claire.
As stated before playing dumb will only last so long.
I'm sorry if it sounds rude. Here goes.
You're a CPA? Then your career depends on everyone just paying the IRS alQeeda. But the part that's funny is your last sentence, "playing dumb will only last so long."
I'm sorry but I had to point out the irony in your statement. It's so funny to me but I'm sure all of this is very sad to you. Don't CPAs do other things, or is it just working under the IRS?
You might want to check out 'Freedom Above Fortune', the website of Joe Banister, CPA. Mr. Banister used to work as an IRS CID agent but he left when they refused to show him the law where ALL Americans have to pay up, not just those who engage in the things listed in the tax laws. Mr. Banister could get no answer except, "there's the door; leave!" And he left.
Then he was practicing just as a CPA (like you!) and they came after him bigtime. I guess that's why you're playing dumb. If you're a CPA, they can try to shut you down, right? Anyway, the jury acquitted Mr. Banister in record time and he went free. I'm just thinking you can learn from Mr. Banister since he carried a gun at the Treasury Department for 11 years, and now he's telling the truth no matter what they try to do to him. I think bravery is so rare today that it is very appreciated, and certainly more than just playing dumb, Mr. Chapman.
Please I do not mean any disrespect, only pointing out how silly your statement sounded, coming from someone who depends on the continued lie.
I don't work for the IRS and I don't have to do taxes as a CPA to survive as well. Heard of Auditing, and other financial reporting for investors, which I also do?? Alhtough you are VERY correct in what you say, I DO diversify as well but we all know in this day and age the profitable money is in the SIN'S on human nature and if one ignores that truth then one will not be as successful as one would like. I have hopes we can get rid of the IRS, so I have made sure I still can survive no matter what the law changes to.
I don't see you guys hyping up hydrogen generators to get rid of the oil man, or finding a way to not have to have homes on the power grid, etc. I got a good one for the health industry but I don't want to seem like I feel disrepected because I don't. Every industry profits from sinful behavior in one manner or another. Ask Dave he keeps on feeding those electricity companies rather than using perpetual motors that never need to be charged and don't cost anything to run. Free energy for at least 400 years per generator. But NO that won't get touched on and many, many more important suppressions have been ignored.
While we are insulting each other, lets make the full conversion to Digg-like status!
vote this XKCD comic to the front page and the conversion will be complete!
http://www.breakthematrix.com/Video-Games/Lets-be-like-Digg-Put-this-xkc...
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams
...forgot to say "go ahead and digg me down, but..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo5H88ISm5o&NR=1
Did you read my piece on polarization in philosophy?
I wish to address the claim that a current filer, if he plays by certain rules, filing affidavits, etc... will find himself at a four-fold lower risk of indictment for tax evasion than he was when he was filing. David has implied this over and over again, and I just want to hear him state it outright, and to back it up.
Shouldn't anyone who is contemplating changing his status from taxpayer to non-taxpayer know what the risk of doing so will be FOR HIM, as opposed to what it is for some group that isn't representative of him? Say a person lives in a dangerous neighborhood and his odds of being mugged if he goes out alone late at night are about 1 in 50, is it not harmful to reassure him that the odds of the average American being mugged on any particular evening are 1 in 50 000?
What I would like to know is, looking exclusively at former filers who have used the "tax honesty" procedures to change their status from taxpayer to non-taxpayer (the affidavits and the protective measures), what proportion have been A/harassed by the IRS and B/indicted for tax evasion.
I think Mr. Zuniga fits that, right? I mean, he used to be a 'former filer' for years and then he learned tax honesty and stopped filing because he doesn't have to by law. My father and my older brother had the same experience, they had been just filing for years (especially dad) without ever thinking to ask where the law was.
I saw Mr. Zuniga's affidavit on the other area with the title of "IRS success stories" (if that's the afidavit you mean). If you want to know the 'protective measures' I think my father could explain to you (but I doubt he will; not a blogger) that it's just like protecting your things from any other crime syndicate.
Mr. Zuniga refuses to give advice on it, but Dave Champion's staff at Nontaxpayer.com will. However, only if a person has already done their research and made the determination that they are a Nontaxpayer.
That's the thing, as my dad says there's no such thing as a free lunch for the IRS or for lazy Taxpayers. Every Nontaxpayer has a story to tell about their education in all of the IRS scam mess. It's up to each citizen to learn what Congress has actually been doing and how they 'just happened' to build up to a $3 trillion pork barrel every year. Even listening to them, you can hear how sleazy they have gotten. It's sickening.
Really it's congress not the IRS. So if you're not willing to learn the who, what, when, where, and why then you will probably just go in circles with the word games like you have been doing and it will just frustrate you.
I recommend the offices of Dave Champion after you do your homework. I think this is why homeschoolers tend to be more open to civics projects like this one, that include economics and law. This is one of the greatest fraud stories in history, and it's coming out.
I know it has already been mentioned but the book by former Rep. Hart of Idaho is excellent.
Mr. Hart (he is an engineer too, like Mr. Zuniga) shows a huge amount of first-person evidence in photocopy and facsimile format in the book, right from the newsapers of 1913 and before, and from the Congressional Record and from the memos from one politician to others and to their 'bosses' in big business.
It is a very enlightening read called Constitutional Income. There they are, the crooks are caught in writing, red-handed...the history of how Congress pushed the Federal Reserve and IRS laws through in the dead of night during the holidays.
You can also hear Dave Champion's radio programs online. He has been on the radio for years. He is very tough on the IRS. Much tougher than Mr. Zuniga, but then he goes to court with them for clients so he knows a lot more. He was a U.S. Army Ranger and a California SWAT team leader and he's a body builder so he looks like somebody that even the IRS thugs don't take their chances with.
I think this is exciting to know that there are still men in our country who will no stand by while criminals extort trillions of dollars while hiring thugs to work for government to lie and steal but call it 'customer service'. I think we really would be the next Russia if we believe everything the thugs say, especially if they won't show the law that supposedly lets them terrorize citizens.
Thank you for listening (if you're still reading!) This was much longer than it was going to be.
Mary
I really appreciate you taking the time to write this. My feeling is that these are pretty brave and fearless men, and that taking a stance like this might not be for everybody. I will be following the ups and downs of this movement and wishing the best to all those who have taken that leap, but until I am convinced "tax honesty" is really safe, I will continue to file and pay my taxes.
Claire
but don't forget what really happens in the movie. Ford's assault on the townspeople alert the authorities to his location and soon the police state has invaded the peaceful Amish with guns. In the movie, Ford is able to singlehandedly kill them all (a la High Noon) and then force a partial sentimental conversion of sorts when his ex-boss gives up his weapon while the townspeople stand by.
In our real world, the Amish would have been invaded by law enforcement and exterminated like those at the Branch Dividian compound or at Ruby Ridge, or had their children kidnapped like the unfortunate mormons. In the spirit of Claire's position on this, I applaud anyone who stands up against this unholy tax, but they should do so with their eyes wide open to the dangers they are facing. This is not a comic book and the good guys do not always survive.
Tom Mullen
www.tommullen.net
www.myspace.com/skepticsongs
You missed the allusion, champ.
I think he's suggesting you're one of the bad cops. That's been my theory, too, as you recall.
Regards,
John
like the scene from the movie witness?
harrison ford is living with the amish people, right? and these jerks are giving the amish a hard time becuae they know that the amish dont fight back.
then ford beats the shit out of two of them and all the rest run off. i love that movie, the bad guys are wearing 'law enforcement' badges and shit but their crooked as hell. same deal with irs and congress, crooked as hell but these amish non-taxpayers are kicking shit out of them. cool.
Considering Dave hasn't posted anything for at least a day maybe more....
I think Dave has conceded DEFEAT!!! He had to try to go get his 'team mates' to 'boo' us out of the water and that got shot down as well. Intellectuals don't take BS!!
This thread is PROOF of that!!!