TrevorLyman Posted by TrevorLyman on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 03:53 in

ThisNovember5th.com was a historical moment for our movement. It's coming around again. What should we do this year?

Please post your thoughts and/or vote up the ideas you like best.


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Flash Mob

We could do a flash mob sort of thing, somewhere, I don't know where. But flash mobs are somewhat effective and do demonstrate a point.

"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."

-Friedrich Nietzsche-

Crow Posted by Crow on Tue, 08/05/2008 - 23:29
Is that where everyone lifts up their

shirt at the same time?

AdamAdamR Posted by AdamAdamR on Wed, 08/06/2008 - 01:15
Seriously

I like the idea of a coordinated symbolic action -- a peaceful one -- the way the earth day people tried to have everyone turn off their lights for a day.

I know I would be very excited if I saw a BTM ad somewhere major like on a tV show or the side of a bus --- but I know that that is very expensive.

........

AdamAdamR Posted by AdamAdamR on Wed, 08/06/2008 - 01:20
I have to agree that some

I have to agree that some civil disobediance is the best way. Some harmless fireworks in full view, maybe some music, that's what i'd call a way to celebrate freedom.

To those who would play down the idea of stirring the hive, you have to wake the bees to get any honey. Something as trivial and basic as fireworks seems the PERFECT way to do things.

I also agree that it should be local, or state-based celebrations. While it would be cool to meet the heads behind BTM, i think it'd be a lot cooler to find people in your everyday area that are liberty supporters.

Posted by Knetic on Mon, 08/04/2008 - 09:31
November 5th

I think some kind of benefit concert to help the 911 first responders and the Iraq Veterans. Alex Jones was talking with Willie Nelson and we should see if Break the Matrix could simulcast the event. The Revolution will not be televised unless we do it.

I believe 911 was an inside job and we need people to look at the evidence and get a new investigation before it happens again.

4Freedomrider Posted by 4Freedomrider on Sat, 08/02/2008 - 01:05
How to Celebrate November 5th

THE key strike point against the usurpations of the executive branch, the war(s), false flag operations, the USA PATRIOT Act, the general arrogance of government at all levels, the unwarranted influence of the Federal Govt. in the now 50 united States, and a host of other ills, such as a fundamentally flawed monetary system based upon the monetization of debt, integration with Canada and Mexico, unfavorable trade agreements, gradual loss of sovereignty to international bodies, etc, etc, etc... is the income tax.

All of the above mentioned ills come down to the govt. beholden to the private monetary powers, operating through the monetization of debt. The income tax was the first of several bitter chemo therapy pills that the once free People of the united States have been tricked into swallowing to support the fraudulent money system by bleeding buying power off at the source, thereby limiting the true effects of inflation to be felt in terms of rising prices of real goods and services. A blow against the income tax is a blow against the Federal Reserve System. Unfortunately, most people don't really understand the nature of the income tax or what makes them liable, and need to be educated.

The income tax, according to the nine learned orangutans who wield toy hammers while wearing black night gowns, is an indirect tax, a special excise tax on government granted privilege, measured by the income or profit derived from the use of said privilege. Again, the tax is a tax on privilege and it is only measured by income or profit. It would otherwise be unconstitutional. If a human being is born here in this country he has a right to live here. If he lives here by right, then doesn't he have a right to make a living at a non privileged common occupation? If he has a right to make a living, how therefore can that right be taxed without destroying it, i.e., turning it into a privilege? The answer is they first con people into relinquishing their right to work here to make a living in exchange for the privilege of "covered employment", that is, covered for Social Security purposes.

Withholding for Social Security started on January 2nd, 1937. Most people at that time understood that the program was 100% voluntary and not required, but people signed up in droves because it seemed like a good idea at the time. For what was represented in terms of benefits vs how much a person paid into it via FICA withholding, it actually was, at least back then. Of course, they were never told how this would affect the status of their Citizenship, nor were they informed that they were, in effect, mortgaging their posterity, or that there were no guarantees whatsoever, or that Congress could lower or abolish their benefits any time they felt like doing so, or raise the tax rates, or raise retirement age, or that they were trading right for privilege, or that by doing so THEY WERE ESTABLISHING A KEY NEXUS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BE SLAPPED WITH ANY OTHER INCOME TAX THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTED TO PUT ON THEM.

Next came government pressure on employers to get all of their employees signed up for the program. I spoke to an old timer who was one of the last holdouts, he simply wanted nothing to do with the program. He told me about the constant lectures and pep talks he would get to induce him to signing up for Social Security. They were became more and more insistent. Finally, after the air strike on Pearl Harbor, he was told to either sign up for the program or seek employment elsewhere. By 1942 virtually all workers in corporate America were signed up, so the nexus was in place, and the so-called "Victory Tax" was passed, starting withholding on July 1st, 1943. It was a "temporary wartime measure" set to last for two years. After the two years, the name was changed but the program otherwise stayed in place as the income tax withholding we know today.

The IRS admits that form 1040 is voluntary, and the Social Security Administration admits IN WRITING upon request that "Social Security is a 100% voluntary program and having or using a Social Security Number is NOT REQUIRED to live OR WORK in the United States nor is it required to have for the sake of having." On the other hand, if someone were to do a man-on-the-street interview of several hundred people, the results would be that virtually all who are polled believe that there is a law requiring people to be enumerated and that working without the number is somehow against the law, although nobody, when asked, can cite the law nor can they tell you what year it was instituted. I have personally polled lots of lawyers and lawschool students, several dozen, encountering only one who got the answer right, and not from anything she learned in class, she had an aunt who was "one of those tax protestors."

So what is the point to rambling on about this? It is to point out the vulnerability of the system, in that 1) the key lynchpin in holding the New World O'der program in place is the fraudulent money system, 2) the largest single key to holding the fraudulent money system in place is the income tax,
3) what holds the income tax in place is the nexus to the Federal Govt. created via participation in Social Security, 4) Social Security is totally voluntary and only held in place by ignorance, fear, and corporate America deliberately going along, 5) there are already MANY people who know the truth and who have forced the issue with corporate America who are now working WITHOUT a Social Security Number, and therefore 6) the key to unraveling the system is to educate enough people to take on their employers on this issue and/or 7) push, push, push, push, push for legislation that would require plain language disclosure on the part of any party anytime anywhere asking for a Social Security Number weather or not its use is required or voluntary, what ALL of the consequences are of providing one or not providing one, INCLUDING all tax consequences, and what rights are waived, what the guarantees are, etc, etc, etc.

What I suggest is a massive campaign both on the internet and on the street. The street campaign will include lots of people out wearing Guy Fawkes masks passing out flyers telling the truth about Social Security. We need to scream the truth about Social Security LOUD AND CLEAR, and for those who respond, we need to have a program in place to assist them in forcing their employers to let them out of Social Security if they choose not to participate. Furthermore, telling the truth about Social Security needs to become a universally accepted smell test of anyone running for office anywhere at any level.

Some great websites for resources are http://www.originalintent.org http://americanradioshow.us http://www.davechampionshow.org http://www.nontaxpayer.org There are lots of other great websites covering this issue on the internet as well. Again, the key strike point against the system is to get folks to understand the voluntary nature of Social Security and provide assistance in getting them out of it if they want out.

Pete

Posted by GoNuclear on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 03:08
remember remember the 5th of November

remember remember we need to make statements to the ones stealing our freedoms... not to each-other. What good is a rally or a protest? It's like preaching to the choir. Boycotts are effective. A display of harmless fireworks is a good boycott against B.S. regulations and the date couldn't be more appropriate... perhaps more so than new years. If nobody wants to get their hands "dirty," I will take the credit. I will be the fall guy. We need to make our presence known to the opposition, not to each-other. No revolutionary ever made a difference by following the rules.

Posted by colorblindwhiteguy on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 02:19
Excellent Point

How has change all throughout US history progressed? Civil Disobedience. The American Revolution had Boston Tea party the civil rights movement had sit ins, marches, and nonviolent resistance. If we want the world to know we mean business we can't be afraid to break a few laws. So long as we're not infringing on someone's life, liberty, or property we're not doing anything wrong. Lets celebrate November the 5th by exemplifying what we stand for instead of cowering in the corner talking to each other and eating hot dogs at a fair ground. November the 5th is a weekday lets vow to sit down on the sidewalk at the beginning of the morning commute near the entrance of your nearest or favorite Federal Reserve bank and refuse to move to move till we're all taken away in cuffs. Be sure to bring your video camera so you can hold the police accountable for their actions if they slip up and so you can post it on Youtube when you get home.

Posted by Edmond Dantes on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 04:42
We should conduct a

We should conduct a spectacular fireworks display on the hill where congress meets without their permission.

Posted by colorblindwhiteguy on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 02:08
I think we should wait and see

what is going to come out of the Rally for the Republic, and plan something in accordance with that to support it.

Posted by Debbie on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 00:06
Having said that, I realize

that it leaves less than 2 months to plan, but I'm sure Trevor can work it out. :)

Tom Mullen

www.tommullen.net
www.myspace.com/skepticsongs

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

Tom Mullen Posted by Tom Mullen on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 00:41
GREAT suggestion, Debbie!

Much more coordination is needed among the freedom groups. There is no room in this for competition with each other. We must unite, as the States were originally united (while still maintaining their independence).

Tom Mullen

www.tommullen.net
www.myspace.com/skepticsongs

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

Tom Mullen Posted by Tom Mullen on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 00:24
What to do?

screeds
Before November 5th - Suggestion - Set up a website to list each of us that pledges to vote for Ron Paul. Make sure signers know they may have to WRITE - IN RON PAUL. Also get signatures on paper petitions with notice that their name would be added to the web site list. This might show the massive numbers actually backing Ron Paul. Some people just don't want to be a lonely vote. As signatures are adding up, make sure every website we know of has frequently updated tally. I know people that certainly don't want to vote for either of the two touted as "The Choices". They don't feel anyone else has a chance. We need to find a way to show our true numbers.
If given some encouragement and a visual account of actual Ron Paul supporters I do believe many would finally make the commitment to join our Revolution, our Campaign for Liberty. The only $ needed would be to set up sight. On the site make a sign - up petition easily printable. And of course it'll take time, talent and enthusiasm. We need more voters. We need to see the little grass fires ignite into a massive bond fire of Liberty. Right now it's votes we need to count on and count up.

Posted by screeds on Thu, 07/31/2008 - 00:01
I think we should look forward...

This November 5th would be a great chance to launch the freedom revolution for 2012..

I would like to launch the NEXT leg at...

www.FreedomRevolution2012.com

I am thinking a social networking site broken up by states and congressional districts.

Then we can move on a local, state and federal level for the cause of freedom.

Candidates would be able to create profiles and post their platforms... voters would be able to do the same...

I think it would be a great addition to the movement and welcome the help of anyone willing to help me set it up.

I might also say.. Ideas welcome.

Keep on breakin'

Doug Newberry

Posted by douglasnewberry on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 21:30
Let's plan something in the 14th

district in texas. Lovin' the idea about a freedom festival!!! Since November 5th would be quite chilly in the north, it should be pretty warm on the gulf coast. I think it would pretty cool to pay the good doctor a visit in his neck of the woods. Especially after all he has done for us!! It would be sweet to see Michael Franti & Spearhead play. It would be quite a sight seeing thousands of Ron Paulers singing "Yell Fire"

Matthew Varner Posted by Matthew Varner on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 04:48
Austin...

I think Austin would be a very fitting place for us to have Freedom Fest..... lots of freedom fighters there.. with music and all sorts of great stuff. We would be very welcome there if we decided on TX.

-Miss Green
"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it."

Miss Green Posted by Miss Green on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 16:16
The proper way to honor the 5th of November is to

blow up Congress with a bunch of gunpowder in the basement??

Oh wait, there are probably some pesky "rules" against that.

I vote for the freedom fest idea. Of course, I'm a sucker for festivals.

I suppose it would have to be somewhere's in the south/southwest cuz November can be downright chilly north of the mason/dixon line.

windycityatty Posted by windycityatty on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 01:53
We should have a victory party for President Ron Paul!

I know it's a long shot, but we have an great opportunity between now and the election on November 4th. The I.O.U.S.A. movie, which will shine the light on our economic problems, is coming out in August right before the Republican National Convention. This movie has already garnered some media attention and is sure to get much more when it comes out. This could be a huge opportunity for us, if we decide to capitalize on it. If we could put together a slim jim on the causes of and Ron Paul's solutions to our economic crisis for volunteers to pass out to theatergoers, we can get the message to the masses. The Rally for the Republic will also garner more media attention for Ron Paul. And, the DVDs for Delegates people are doing their thing. Who knows? With a huge groundswell of support right before the Republican Convention, maybe Ron Paul could steal the nomination from McCain. Then, Ron Paul vs. Obama -- substance vs. style -- no contest! :)

Posted by LauraB on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 20:11
Freedom Fest 2008!

I like the idea of a festival, with music, food, freedom, and more! I don't know how possible it would be.. but Freedom Fest sounds catchy, nonetheless!

Heck, we could even have a Free Market Fest to exchange/sell/buy goods... ideas... music... what have ya. Would be an absolutely beautiful time of year in some areas for an outdoor festival.

(BTW.. I understand that we've had lots of gatherings like the Revolution March and the upcoming St. Paul convention, but what about the years to come? I think we should have something on a yearly basis, since there won't be this many events during the years in between campaigns).

-Miss Green
"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it."

Miss Green Posted by Miss Green on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 19:41
Festival mania!!

I like your idea. And love me some festivals. My profile says so so it must be true :) Whatcha thinking about location? What bout Nevada? Or Tahoe? Or ... (fill in appropriate suggestion here).

Is there any other music fests going on anywhere anyway that we could glob onto?

We could invade Florida. Remember remember the gator that ate my leg in november??

I would invite everyone to the Shire (my pet name for Chicago) but it can be kinda expensive and chilly and unpredictable. But its easy to get to by planes trains and autos. I s'pose we should take that into consideration if this idea were to gain traction.

Californication could work - i'm sure I will have some back pain by then and need - - ahem - a natural locally produced remedy. Kinda far for lots of peeps though.

Virginia? Home state of some of our best intellectual founders ?? Never been there.

I guess we shall wait and see what happens with the up/downs and what is practical then worry bout details.

windycityatty Posted by windycityatty on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 01:51
The Shire, eh? Please,

The Shire, eh?

Please, explain to be exactly why you picked that name? I'm not too sure I envisioned Chicago as a small village with Hobbit houses. ;)

Anyway, as for location... maybe something central.. Kansas/Oklahoma?Texas? (not just because I live central.. but it's easy access and BEAUTIFIL in November).

-Miss Green
"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it."

Miss Green Posted by Miss Green on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 04:19
On the Shire:

People here and elsewhere call it chi-town (pronounced: Shy town) At least some people in the hip hop scene do. Like Rappers. Or something.

From Shy...is my derivative - "Shire"

Everything I say or do makes sense Miss Green.

In a parallel universe.

Of which there are many.

Or none.

Including this one.

See?

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windycityatty Posted by windycityatty on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 04:29
Awesome signature!

That is classic. Nice!

Tom Mullen

www.tommullen.net
www.myspace.com/skepticsongs

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

Tom Mullen Posted by Tom Mullen on Sat, 07/26/2008 - 11:10
That is my hotmail

signature. I tried to use it here but it gets cut off bout 3/4 of the way through :( I cut and paste it from time to time. Depending on the topic.

windycityatty Posted by windycityatty on Wed, 07/30/2008 - 06:12
You just blew my mind. -Miss

You just blew my mind.

-Miss Green
"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it."

Miss Green Posted by Miss Green on Sat, 07/26/2008 - 03:52
I think there should be

I think there should be national coordination of regional events.

I think revolutionaries from each state should come together to host events in each state. Maybe a regional one in New England where the states are small, and several different events in huge states with a wide Ron Paul base, like Florida, Texas and California. All this burning of foreign oil to travel cross country, and lining the pockets of the ever oppressive airlines is counter productive. i think after the event in Minneapolis, our big national coming out party, people should start focusing their efforts on building our presence in their local communities.

If you don't have a huge presence in your state, throw a Ron Paul house party. If the state leadership can rally a large group and get big donations, then rent out a fair ground or a small convention center. I think this would be an excellent way to see where we stand in different areas of the nation

You could even look into renting out a VFW lodge, if your only expecting a 100 or so people.
This is just my opinion of what we oughta start working toward after the Convention in general, and what better day for a party than Nov 5th?

I think we will get a higher total figure for RP supporters with numerous regional events. As opposed to the huge national events, where even the most affordable mode of travel is too expensive and time consuming for some.

As far as BTM, I have no idea what BTM should do to celebrate this special day.

Maybe BTM could work to produce a special documentary on Ron Paul and the revolution to this point and premier it on the eve of the 5th of November. that would be a cool networky kinda thing.

If you put a noose around the neck of a neo con and put him up on a stool, he'll kick the stool out from under himself because "well for better or for worse I'm already here."

revolutionman Posted by revolutionman on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 17:43
November 5th

We should definitely money bomb.
Perhaps we could have a concert. There is no shortage of music in the movement, even some well established talents have supported. Amy Mann, John Mayer, etc.. The Flobots are a great Denver based group.
Part of the show could be web based. Musically inclined inviduals could submit videos to be aired on Break The Matrix TV.

On a seperate note; did anybody see Nas on Colbert? Our mutual dislike of Fox News could lead to a mutually beneficial relationship.

French1220 Posted by French1220 on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 07:22
Money Bomb?

Not to be a "negative Nancy" (as Flanders would say), but, I think the money bomb thing has been played out. If you haven't noticed, the last few that have been tried, weren't that successful.

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams

Revolter Posted by Revolter on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 17:45
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