The Nazis: Right Wing Extremists or National Socialists?

Posted by Tom Mullen on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 10:54am in

It has become conventional wisdom to characterize Nazi Germany as an extreme “right wing” or “conservative” reaction against communism. There is no doubt that Hitler hated communism, which he saw as a Jewish conspiracy. Hitler blamed the Reichstag fire, which most historians suspect him of orchestrating himself, on Jewish communists. Hitler’s book, Mein Kampf (My Struggle), contains page after page of Hitler railing against the lies and the evils of communism. Does that make Hitler a “right wing conservative?” If by “right wing conservative,” we mean that he was an advocate of free markets, property rights, low taxes, and low regulation, then definitely he was not. The name “National Socialist” should be some indication of what Hitler’s economic policies were, and the plain facts of history bear that name out. Nevertheless, the Nazis are almost universally regarded as “right wing conservative extremism,” a misconception with more ominous ramifications than are obvious at first glance.

Investigation and analysis are not really needed to determine whether Nazi Germany operated under a capitalist, free market system or a socialist one. The economy was centrally planned, with wage and price controls imposed by the Goering, under the threat of concentration camp imprisonment.(1) Hitler sought foreign investment in manufacturing the Volkswagen, but because he sought companies that would not seek to make profits on the “people’s products,” American manufacturers GM and Ford dropped out of the project.(2)

When the Nazi’s came to power, unemployment was nearly 30%.(3) One of Hitler’s stated goals was to eliminate unemployment by 1939, a goal he proclaimed he met when the official unemployment rate fell under 1% that year. However, those statistics are somewhat deceiving when you consider that the Nazi’s forced women and Jews to quit their jobs and were subsequently not counted as unemployed, while unemployed German men replaced them.(4) The balance of the unemployed were absorbed into massive new government works projects to build steel plants, rubber factories, and other capital goods projects, funded by inflating the German currency that was now off the gold standard.(5)

The central planning and control did not stop at the macro level, but reached down into the life of each individual German. The right to quit your job was abolished in 1935, with consent from your previous employer required to accept another job. Trade unions were abolished, and investment was heavily regulated to serve the needs of the state rather than to encourage profit. Heavy taxes on profits made private ownership of companies virtually impossible. While the largest companies were not taxed on profits, they were so heavily controlled that they were privately-owned in name only.(6)

While the unemployment rate was made to look low by simply excluding the people that didn’t have jobs, nothing about the Nazi economy was truly sustainable. You can manipulate statistics for a while, but sooner or later reality will prevail. However, like the languishing American economy (itself suffering from the effects of the socialist New Deal), the German economy found temporary new life in building its war machine. The last of the recognized unemployed were now put to work, with the printing press of Germany’s central bank ready to provide whatever liquidity was needed. The inevitable consequences of inflating the currency were postponed once the war began, as Germany merely plundered the gold to back at least a portion of this new money from the countries they conquered.

In The Road to Serfdom, Friedrich Hayek addressed the very issue of whether the Nazis were a right wing or left wing movement. His thesis was that not only were the National Socialists every bit as socialist as their name, but that they were the natural result of socialism itself. Hayek warned his present-day England that they were traveling down the same “road to serfdom” that Germany had traveled decades before, and that he feared that socialism in England would lead to the same horrors there that it had lead to in Germany – that socialism MUST lead to wherever it is practiced.(7)

So, in terms of economic policy, the Nazis were every bit the “National Socialists” that their name suggested. However, they were also militaristic. Hitler launched aggressive, unprovoked wars against Czechoslovakia and Poland. Doesn’t that make him a “right wing conservative?”

Again, it is not “conservative” or “right wing” by any definition that we have ever used here in America until very recently. As Ron Paul pointed out time and again in his presidential campaign, the conservative position has always been anti-war and non-interventionist. Prior to the “neo-conservative” Republicans, the Republican Party always ran on an anti-war platform. It was a Democratic President that took us into every conflict we fought in the 20th century: Woodrow Wilson in WWI, Franklin Roosevelt in WWII,(8) Truman in Korea, Johnson in Viet Nam.(9)

Conversely, it was conservative, right wing Republicans that opposed each of these wars. “Mr. Conservative” Robert Taft actually opposed the U.S. joining NATO. Even the “right wing extremist” Barry Goldwater ran in 1964 on ending U.S. involvement in Viet Nam. Despite the Democrats’ success in characterizing Goldwater as a “nuke the commies” nutcase, the plain facts are that Goldwater campaigned against the war in Viet Nam and Johnson campaigned for it.

Nazi Germany was arguably the most horrible totalitarian society in history. By characterizing the Nazis as “right wing,” socialists proceed to make the argument that “conservative, right wing” philosophy – i.e. individual liberty, free markets, low taxes, less regulation - spawns a brutal totalitarianism when taken to the extreme. Therefore, any society built upon these principles has to be carefully guarded and imbued with the virtues of socialism to protect against the horrors of another Nazi Germany. In other words, too much freedom leads to totalitarianism, while government control protects us against it. To borrow my favorite line from Ron Paul’s Revolution, “If you think this sounds fishy, then you understand it just fine.”(10)

Welfare and warfare have always gone hand in hand in political ideology. Wherever you have found one, you have usually found the other. We have lost sight of the fact that the two are not merely related, they are actually siblings, or at least first cousins. Welfare is the use of government force to loot individuals and redistribute their wealth. Warfare is the use of government force to loot foreign nations (and their individuals) and redistribute their wealth. They are really one and the same ideology. Both are the antithesis of individual liberty. The only question one must ask in determining what is “right wing conservatism” and what is not is this: Does this policy support individuals dealing with each other by mutual, voluntary consent, or is the initiation of force involved? If the answer is mutual, voluntary consent, the policy is “right wing conservative.” If the answer is the initiation of force, it isn’t.

Ron Paul has been called by some a “right wing extremist.” He is. Ron Paul rejects the initiation of force without compromise or moderation. He is truly the last “right wing conservative” in American politics. This is not an encouraging sign. Already, the terms are being redefined once again.(11) A recent news story on the presidential election characterized Barack Obama’s recent support of the changes to FISA as a move “toward the center,” as was his support of AIPAC and strong rhetoric regarding defense of Israel. It is fair to say that economically, Obama is as far left as we have seen in a presidential candidate in decades. John McCain is considered “conservative” because of his strong support for the war and his support for government encroachment on civil liberties in the name of “security” against terrorism. Neither Obama nor McCain question the need for Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, or Welfare. Property rights and free markets are completely off the table. Where are the right wing conservatives?

I wrote at the beginning of this article that the misconception of the Nazis as an extreme right wing, conservative movement had ominous ramifications. Let us look back at history in Germany and speculate for a moment about our own future. Before the Nazis came to power, there was a socialist government in place that is best known for the most famous currency destruction in history. In the last days of the Weimar Republic, pictures of citizens carrying the near worthless currency to the supermarket in wheelbarrows illustrated the economic state of the nation. It was this crisis that allowed the Nazis to come to power.

We now have a nation that is thoroughly fed up with the Republican administration of the past eight years. The Republicans lost Congress in the previous mid-term election. Obama has a double-digit lead over John McCain. The public has become confused into thinking that the debate is between “right” and “left,” when in fact there is no “right” in this debate. Why is this ominous?

Let us suppose that Obama wins a landslide victory. It will be hailed as a mandate from the people for all of his policies. While Obama is still officially against the Iraq War, he is not against the rest of the American Empire. So, financially speaking, Obama may cut defense spending by about $150 billion dollars. That would not erase the federal deficit. In fact, the federal government currently spends more on providing the poor and elderly with healthcare than it does on its entire defense budget, and Obama wants to cover EVERYBODY. His positions on other forms of welfare, both direct wealth redistribution and the more covert brand via government intervention in the marketplace, are for much, much more.

America already has a crisis on its hands due to decades of inflating its currency. By comparing its $1.5 trillion entitlement spending to its $650 billion defense spending, it becomes obvious that a 20% decrease in defense spending combined with even a 10% increase in entitlement spending is going to ADD to the deficits, not decrease them. Such an entitlement increase may actually be very conservative when converting some of Obama’s rhetoric to U.S. dollars. Imagine a U.S. in much worse economic crisis four years from now, with inflation that makes today’s problem look mild, and with a citizenry that now blames “the liberal left” for everything. Where will they turn?

An Obama presidency accompanied by a Democratic House and Senate could accelerate an economic cataclysm that, fairly stated, is coming, no matter which party is in power. However, with most Americans considering the neo-con Republicans as the “right wing,” it will be this brand of Republican that America turns to four years from now. With economic decline accelerating, the so-called “neo-cons” could be swept into power in four years with a stronger mandate than the Democrats had in this election. This is a party that has demonstrated its unrestrained desire for war at any cost, its utter disregard for individual liberty, its record-setting government spending, its policy of spying on its citizens, and its policy of unwarranted arrest, imprisonment, and torture. At what time in history have we seen such a unanimous mandate from the people for a political party like this? Do we really think that it couldn’t happen here?

(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany#Economy
(2) http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
(3) http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazis_and_the_german_economy.htm
(4) http://www.search.com/reference/Nazi_Germany#Economic_policy
(5) http://www.search.com/reference/Nazi_Germany#Economic_policy
(6) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany#Economy
(7) F.A. Hayek The Road to Serfdom (rather than cite specific passages, the reader is encourage to read the entire book, as this topic is its central thesis
(8) It is only fair to point out that after the attack on Pearl Harbor, FDR had unanimous support for a declaration of war on Japan. However, if you examine FDR’s foreign policy before the attack, which many historians regard as having provoked Japan unnecessarily, you will find that it was “conservatives” that were opposed to it.
(9) While the United States had “advisors” in Viet Nam as early as the Eisenhower administration, Viet Nam did not become anywhere near a full scale war until Johnson’s first full term –after the 1964 election. Kennedy has planned to get the U.S. out of Viet Nam while the commitment was still minimal enough to do so.
(10) Ron Paul The Revolution: A Manifesto pg. 141
(11) Remember that the term “liberal” was used 100 years ago to describe what later became the “conservative” position of the 1950’s and 1960’s. In 2008, neither “conservative” nor “liberal” mean what they have in the past.



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But ummm...

right wing extremist or not, has anybody ever argued Nazis are for freedom?

If not, what's the point?

Why figure out what wing or color they wear when you can ask directly what freedoms they are fighting for?

Cynical Posted by Cynical on Fri, 07/04/2008 - 5:49pm
Here is the point

"By characterizing the Nazis as “right wing,” socialists proceed to make the argument that “conservative, right wing” philosophy – i.e. individual liberty, free markets, low taxes, less regulation - spawns a brutal totalitarianism when taken to the extreme. Therefore, any society built upon these principles has to be carefully guarded and imbued with the virtues of socialism to protect against the horrors of another Nazi Germany. In other words, too much freedom leads to totalitarianism, while government control protects us against it."

Tom Mullen

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www.myspace.com/skepticsongs

Tom Mullen Posted by Tom Mullen on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:30pm
its

It is also interesting to note that many people who watch the movie V for Vendetta view the totalitarian government in the film as "Right Wing". The amount of damage done by the Bush administration to the Republican Party has been has been incredible. Big government conservatives and evangelicals have ruined us.

Another great article

Gail_Wynand Posted by Gail_Wynand on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 8:58pm
Good points

The truth is, Scott, although I vehemently disagree with your position on certain issues, the more I get to know you, the better I like you. I believe your opinions are heartfelt and genuine. I respect that.

Sometimes, however, it appears you and others are being antagonistic just because you enjoy the back and forth. That's fine. Some people (my daughter is one) simply like it that way.

As I've said before, I think we need a forum specifically dedicated to the "hot button issues" where those who enjoy that sort of thing can argue 'til the cows come home and the rest of us can steer clear if we want. As it is, those topics seem to crop up, helter-skelter, all across the forums, sometimes totally derailing the original topics

I honestly believe this approach would help with the overall feel of the community and help with the navigability as well. Short of that, I don't think having those discussions are at all condusive to building a "big tent" community where everyone on all sides of those "hot topic issues" feels welcomed by a sense of unity of purpose.

Posted by Nick (not verified) on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 2:29pm
Hitler was a nut but he was fighting

nuts on the other side (I think you refer to the communist conspiracy). You will seldom read of the millions and millions of deaths achieved under the hands of stalin and lenin. Hitler definitely was the winner of the "evil" category.

Anyhow, I lived near a polish neighborhood in Brooklyn a few years back and some residents there still thought of him as a kind of folk hero. The Polish people did not do so well under communism - but they are not the type to build statues about it. One older guy actually told me, "his big mistake was trying to kill them, he should've just given them Long Island"... kind of eerie...

AdamAdamR Posted by AdamAdamR on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 1:56pm
I think you are saying

I think you are saying Stalin was worse but Hitler got more credit?

Stalin was certainly as bad and most likely much worse than Hitler.

From wiki pedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

Number of victims

Early researchers attempting to tally the number of people killed under Stalin's regime were forced to rely largely upon anecdotal evidence. Their estimates ranged from a low of 3 million to as high as 60 million.[49][50] After the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, evidence from the Soviet archives became available. The archives record that about 800,000 prisoners were executed (for either political or criminal offences) under Stalin, while about 1.7 million died in the GULAG and some 389,000 perished during kulak forced resettlement — a total of about 3 million victims.

Debate continues, however,[51] since some historians believe the archival figures to be unreliable.[52][53] For example, some argue that the many suspects tortured to death while in "investigative custody" were likely not counted amongst the executed.[54][55] Also, there are certain categories of victim which it is generally agreed were carelessly recorded by the Soviets — such as the victims of ethnic deportations, or of German population transfer in the aftermath of WWII.

Thus while some archival researchers have estimated the number of victims of Stalin's repressions to be no more than about 4 million in total,[56][57][58] others believe the number to be considerably higher. Russian writer Vadim Erlikman,[59] for example, makes the following estimates: executions, 1.5 million; gulags, 5 million; deportations, 1.7 million (out of 7.5 million deported); and POWs and German civilians, 1 million — a total of about 9 million victims of repression.

Some historians have also included the 6 to 8 million victims of the 1932–1933 famine as victims of repression.[24][60][61] This categorization is controversial however, as historians differ as to whether the famine was a deliberate part of the campaign of repression against kulaks or simply an unintended consequence of the struggle over forced collectivization. (See also: Droughts and famines in Russia and the USSR).

Regardless, it appears that a minimum of around 10 million surplus deaths (4 million by repression and 6 million from famine) are attributable to the regime, with a number of recent books suggesting a likely total of around 20 million.[62][63][64][65][66] Adding 6–8 million famine victims to Erlikman's estimates above, for example, would yield a total of between 15 and 17 million victims. Pioneering researcher Robert Conquest, meanwhile, has revised his original estimate of up to 30 million victims down to 20 million.[67] Others, however, continue to maintain that their earlier much higher estimates are correct.[68]

TrevorLyman Posted by TrevorLyman on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 2:50pm
Nick, Fair enough. But I

Nick, Fair enough.

But I think the greatest philosophical lesson of all is that people never agree on certain issues, because they are true dilemmas.

Understanding the true nature of a dilemma is a profound step in the acceptance of both points of view.

Abortion. The War in Iraq. Gun control.

These, as well as other issues have the legs they do because there are genuine strengths and weaknesses to both sides of the argument.

With abortion, it is the fuzzy line between a woman's right and the right of her baby-to-be.

With Iraq, it was the evilness of Saddam and the unacceptable nature of his regime verses doing anything about it.

Gun control folks will cite the statistics that legitimately show gun violence in action, while gun advocates will rightly claim that a gun law will only truly influence the law abider.

What civil society survives, though, without the ability to hash out these differences in open and fair minded debate?

Scott from Oregon Posted by Scott from Oregon on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 1:45pm
> With Iraq, it was the

> With Iraq, it was the evilness of Saddam and the unacceptable nature of his regime verses doing anything about it.
< trying to write your own history here? iraq was invaded because it was perceived that it posed a military threat to America, not because saddam was an evil man. it was 'we have to strike them before they strike us" not "saddam is evil and we want to help" there is no dilemma here.

awesomo5000 Posted by awesomo5000 on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 7:18pm
Scott, there are any number

Scott, there are any number of "hot button issues" that can be focused on, but would those discussions really have any chance at all of being productive discussions. I seriously doubt it. Folks would get on their respective soapboxes and wax philosophic, unremittingly, without ever making any concessions to those with opposing opinions. No minds would be changed. It would just be a platform for those with propensities for skillful debate to claim hallow victories over those who are less skillful at pointed argumentation. It would offer nothing in the way of constructive community building.

Let sleeping dogs lie.

Posted by Nick (not verified) on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 1:34pm
The "right to life" issue

The "right to life" issue has also fallen like a turd across a railroad track on the right left extreme divide...

Speaking of which, are threads "disappearing" around here due to management concerns, or are threads just hard for me to find without my coffee?

There was a thread regarding Ron Paul's introduction of an abortion bill which was a hot button topic that seems to have been matrixed.

Scott from Oregon Posted by Scott from Oregon on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 1:03pm
We've matrixed two threads so far

the early one that had all the curse words and the Zionism flame war. We encourage hot button issue discussion. R

Rick Williams Posted by Rick Williams on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 8:13pm
The Political Words Have Lost Their Meanings

Tom's point is important. What do the words "right" and "left" mean in modern political discourse? Or for that matter "Democrat" and "Republican"? Our leadership class simply twists the meaning of these terms to create divisiveness and confusion among the people they purport to serve. That's why our Strangebedfellows coalition of Ron Paul "right wing" supporters and civil liberties/antiwar "leftists" is where we see an emerging political grounding for the future. The only meaningful and lasting divide is between the leadership class itself (Democrat or Republican, it makes no difference) and those who are ruled. Realigning the thinking of American voters to recognize this truth is an essential step in the freedom process. R

Rick Williams Posted by Rick Williams on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 11:52am
Author often quoted by RP has written about this issue

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f4_1201551767

LEFT VS. RIGHT: THE ILLUSION OF OPPOSITES

Analysis 2007 by G. Edward Griffin (Text 2 pages). He has also extensively written about the US Federal reserve (Creature From Jekyll Island).

taktic Posted by taktic on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 12:22pm
G. Edward Griffin Article is Great!

I'm reading it now; it's excellent! Thanks for sharing it!

Tom Mullen

www.tommullen.net
www.myspace.com/skepticsongs

Tom Mullen Posted by Tom Mullen on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 3:17pm
If you liked that short summary, you may want to look at

this longer article that he wrote in 2003. "The future is calling"

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/pdf/futurecalling1.pdf

It's 22 pages of text, complete with footnotes and charts. Griffin believes that the left/right debate can be boiled down to 2 underlying lines of reasoning: Collectivism and Individualism. If you read this article, you will understand why "Strange Bedfellows" (individualists focus) can work, and also why the current Republicans and Democrats sound so similar (shift by Bush/McCain towards Obama/Clinton collectivism).

I didn"t include it in the first link because this group generally seems to prefer the 3 minute video or a summary.

taktic Posted by taktic on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 7:14pm
THanks, taktic

I will definitely read it. Regarding your comment on Strange Bedfellows, I would love to believe it. However, my suspicion is that if/when we have success in bringing an end to militarism, we are going to find ourselves in open warfare with the same Democrats that we fought with over welfarism. What do you think?

Tom Mullen

www.tommullen.net
www.myspace.com/skepticsongs

Tom Mullen Posted by Tom Mullen on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 7:19pm
I agree, but remain optomistic on single issue alliances.

Right now the push for collectivists programs (like FISA) are simple too extreme for their likes.

taktic Posted by taktic on Sun, 06/29/2008 - 7:52pm
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