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Your point?

Christianity has nothing to do with pre-emptive war. Nothing in Christian law deals with it.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 6:29pm
The very idea of preemptive

The very idea of preemptive war is irreconcilable to anything resembling a "civilized" society regardless of their allegiance to Christianity or any other religious philosophy.

Posted by IHaveADream on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 8:46pm
Not so. And again, nothing to do with christianity.

Knowing that a country is gearing up to destroy you or blackmail (the threat being war, not just some economic boycott) you into doing their bidding requires you, in defense of your citizens, to strike the first blow.

Civilization does not demand suicide.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 9:24pm
I agree with you that

I agree with you that civilization does not demand suicide. However, the U.S. does not need to adopt a policy of preemptive war to avoid suicide. We are a superpower with a military force that is second to none. We can respond to any attack -- even a nuclear attack -- with overwhelming speed and precision.

It's not who delivers the "first strike" that wins, but who delivers the last.

We must never surrender our advantage, but we must also not abuse it. To whom much is given, much is required.

Posted by IHaveADream on Fri, 07/04/2008 - 8:10am
We weren't talking about the US.

The fact that the US can respond to any attack is small solice to the vistims of 9/11.

Your last statement can be inferred to mean the US must intervene in the affairs of other nations even though the "crimes against humanity" commited there do not affect the American way of life.

Seems you are back in the Matrix.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Fri, 07/04/2008 - 12:06pm
"The fact that the US can

"The fact that the US can respond to any attack is small solice to the vistims of 9/11."

True...but I fail to see the relevance. It's not a perfect world.

"Your last statement can be inferred to mean the US must intervene in the affairs of other nations even though the "crimes against humanity" commited there do not affect the American way of life."

I think we have a moral obligation to intervene in "crimes against humanity".

"Seems you are back in the Matrix."

Sorry, I don't what the "matrix" refers to. Just sharing my thoughts. It's an interesting discussion.

Posted by IHaveADream on Fri, 07/04/2008 - 2:43pm
I concur

I also "think we have a moral obligation to intervene in "crimes against humanity".

But it seems the founders of this forum and their acolytes do not hold with that thought.

As for the 9/11 reference, it had to do with the retalitory ability of the US having little comfort for those direct victims of a terrorist attack.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Fri, 07/04/2008 - 3:23pm
Well, I suspect that most of

Well, I suspect that most of those who frequent this forum are fellow supporters of Ron Paul and his message. I voted for Dr. Paul in the primaries and I'm very disappointed that his campaign did not get more traction than it did. I concur with most of his positions, but I did not agree with him on this particular issue. To defend liberty at home but ignore it elsewhere is an enigmatic philosophy.

Posted by IHaveADream on Fri, 07/04/2008 - 3:52pm
Ron Paul did not have a campaign

that would garner support from a large group of Americans.

Marching to the beat of a different drum does not bode well for political support.

It makes you look a little weird.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Sat, 07/05/2008 - 6:34pm
You're right. He must feel a

You're right. He must feel a lot like Jesus did.

Posted by IHaveADream on Sat, 07/05/2008 - 8:50pm
Acting as if he were

also turned off Americans

Posted by IbrahimAv on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 6:38am
It isn't Ron Paul that's

It isn't Ron Paul that's playing God.

He doesn't endorse preemptive war, much less a preemptive nuclear strike that would almost certainly massacre an unspeakable number of innocent civilians.

Posted by IHaveADream on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 8:17am
He voted to murder Afghanis

because, like an avenging God, they displeased him by refusing to hand over Bin Laden.

I don't recall any current candidate endorsing a pre-emptive nuclear war.

Making things up to make Paul sound good? Exactly the same thing they did with Jesus. Invented things to make him sound good.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 9:26am
Jesus?

I think this is a perfect example as to why a man, woman, group, or any other entity cannot be relied upon for freedom, it must be made by the individuals.

When the people think that casting a ballot is going to fix the mess we are in, then one understand why the people demanded the death of Jesus.

rea1001.blogspot.com Posted by rea1001.blogspot.com on Sun, 08/03/2008 - 1:51pm
Interesting. Do you care to

Interesting. Do you care to reveal who you're supporting and why?

Posted by IHaveADream on Sun, 07/06/2008 - 11:00am
It has everything to do with

It has everything to do with christianity when we have leaders promoting preepmtive war through politics. Do you remember when GWB was talking about god in speeches and was partly elected by the christian right? It simply is a video to entertain nothing more. I particulary am not a religous person but believe in sprituality.

jamsie567 Posted by jamsie567 on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 7:47pm
Still nothing to do with christianity

pre-emptive war may be proposed by those who profess to be christian, but christianity has nothing to do with authorizing or suggesting pre-emptive war.

Christians are forgiven, not perfect nor neccesarily law-abiding. There are very few laws in Christianity.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 8:25pm
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