Have a read at this and see if you don't smell a big fat corporate banking globalist rat.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aFeyqdzYcizc

I can remember the late 90s quite well. I had just got in the stock market, only to lose it with the internet bubble. One of the stocks I had invested in was Excite AtHome (Nasdaq: ATHM).
I watched with disbelief, AT&T and Comcast's doings as board members who owned a lot of share. As a shareholder, I believe they purposefully ran that company into the ground, only to squash an emerging company with 35 billion in asset value before the collapse. AT&T walked away with 4.4 monthly paying subscribers (from Excite portal) switching them to AT&T . net
Comcast, well, now no longer has a competitor in the fiber optic, cable business.

Like some say that lack of due diligence to it's shareholders is what Bank of America is guilty of for allowing Merril Lynch bonuses, this is par for course, as is the ATHM fraud that played out. As an investor who lost, I claimed manipulation early on.

The courts are frauds as well. The Ma Bell connection is there. Nothing ever happened with regard to class action lawsuit. And in the end, the Internet Bubble burst. Others will say it was a bubble bursting, buyer beware etc, No that was manipulation and fraud, and AT&T and Comcast ran Excite At Home into the ground.

Like Franklin Raines cookin the books to collect CEO pay for himself and bonuses for others, they like Enron, fraudulently looted from the coffers, as Enron looted the ratepayers and shareholders alike. 450 million dollar executive parachute package?

I've been screaming manipulation since the late 90's. Every time Greenspan spoke the market reacted. He just kept manipulating interest rates again and again, suckering everybody in for the housing bubble.

I've been screaming that they have not been letting the markets run on their own for a very long time. I've said that with the stock market, I've said that with the housing market and interest rates, and it is clear to me that this is fraud and manipulation.

I now will never purchase another stock. Because I lost all trust in the financial system and the courts.

I then got into gold and silver, and again, since September 15th, there have been unusual trades and market manipulation, plain as day. I believe they manipulated gold and silver levels down so low, timed with September 15th, and Freddie and Fannie problems so as to avoid safe haven buyers into gold and silver. That was a buying sign for me. They did that to avoid people fleeing the market. That is manipulation. I don't believe as of late, that there has been widespread market manipulation in the noble metals, but it was quite obvious to me after September 15th, 2008.

And get this. I have no proof to anything I said.

Who is the amateur?

I have no proof to any of my claims. But clearly this is fraud and manipulation. They suckered everybody in with manipulated interest rates and predatory lending practices. For years, on a daily basis, I was getting multiple refinance letters sent to my house, offering me loans well beyond the cost of my house. I could refinance and take out cash. I think Capital One sent me something at least weekly.

Predatory, Fraudulent, Manipulatory.

This is how it will go down. This is how they took down America as we know it. You need no proof. It is all right there. You can look back and see it.

As I said before, I will never invest in stock ever again. And the SEC is as fraudulent as Freddie and Fannie and all the other criminal sheisters.

This is a first that I am at a loss with words. All I can do is maybe provide a little comfort music . . .

average joe

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Have you guys seen The Money Masters DVD? http://www.themoneymasters.com/synopsis.htm

From the website:

"THE MONEY MASTERS is a 3 1/2 hour non-fiction, historical documentary that traces the origins of the political power structure. The modern political power structure has its roots in the hidden manipulation and accumulation of gold and other forms of money. The development of fractional reserve banking practices in the 17th century brought to a cunning sophistication the secret techniques initially used by goldsmiths fraudulently to accumulate wealth. With the formation of the privately-owned Bank of England in 1694, the yoke of economic slavery to a privately-owned "central" bank was first forced upon the backs of an entire nation, not removed but only made heavier with the passing of the three centuries to our day. Nation after nation has fallen prey to this cabal of international central bankers.

The success of the central banking scheme developed into a far-reaching plan described by President Clinton's mentor, Georgetown Professor Carroll Quigley, "to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank....sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the levels of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

Several short-lived attempts to impose the central banking scheme on the United States were defeated by the patriotic efforts of Presidents Madison, Jefferson, Jackson, Van Buren and Lincoln. But with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, America was firmly lashed to the same yoke, so that a small number of very rich men have been able to lay upon the masses a yoke little better than slavery itself. That yoke inevitably grows heavier with ever-compounding interest, and totals over $20 trillion of debt owed by the American people today ($80,000 per American) ultimately to these bankers.

This vast accumulation of wealth concentrates immense power and despotic economic domination in the hands of the few central bankers "who are able to govern credit and its allotment, for this reason supplying, so to speak, the life-blood to the entire economic body, and grasping, as it were, in their hands the very soul of the economy so that no one dare breathe against their will.""

Even though it was made prior to the 1996 election, it's relevance to what is happening today is astounding. If you haven't seen it, I'd highly recommend watching it and then continuing your debate as to whether there is intentional market manipulation or just unintended consequences from government and Federal Reserve intervention. Regardless, I think you all agree that a truly free market would be best. Right?

By the way, Cramer makes for an excellent contra-indicator: historically, you're better off doing the opposite of what he recommends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Cramer

Unfortunately of course he's wildly popular and thus deluding a great number of people.

If ever a time should come when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. (Samuel Adams)

doesn't negate being an experienced and informed investor

he's both, anyhow, people have been rigging markets since their have been markets... I don't find anything wild about that

However, if you want to be the policeman of unfounded accusations, perhaps you should interrogate your statement:

"you seem to get a lot of your opinions from people like Cramer"

just for kicks: what opinions are you referring to and what people (like Cramer) are you referring to?

I don't think you've done your homework on me for starters, but if you were interested there's about dozens of pages of forums, blogs, comments, etc. going back several months

I'm not sure what your general point is. You seem to enjoy being the voice of doubt and disbelief, and there's really no shortage of people who enjoy taking this position. Its a very easy position to assume because it requires no research, no original ideas and no creative thinking. You just have to wait for other people to talk and then you cross your arms and say, "Oh Yeah. Prove it!"

Of course, when your ideas and assumptions are challenged you fall into kind of an amateur impersonation of Bill O'Reilly. By that I'm referring to your name calling, accusations, and stubborn attacks.

The statement you quoted refers to the fact that congress and fed are openly discussing injecting billions into fannie and fred and are actively considering a gov't takeover of the companies. This, in and of itself, is a form of manipulation.

Beyond that, I find Cramer both entertaining and insightful, and as you already know, and as Donald Trump stated (another brash entertainer who happens to preside over a fairly large real estate empire) I'm of the belief that all trading at the higher levels is insider training of one form or another.

But there's nothing assumed about that observation. It's based on years of observation, research, and participation in the market. Many successful and educated people and even some famous investors share that view. They are not all even that wild.

As far as "evidence" is concerned., I think you should consider that the testimony of expert witnesses is taken as evidence in courts of law. You may not like Cramer (who cares about Cramer really) but you'd be wasting your time if you tried to say he isn't an acknowledged financial expert.