Cynical Posted by Cynical on Sun, 06/22/2008 - 01:58 in

Check out his Colbert interview
http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/06/video-pat-buchanan-on-the-colbert-repor...
Watch how Steve loses his humor and shocked somebody can suggest

Then see neocon Hitchens' response (cliche and reaffirming what our kids learned)
http://www.newsweek.com/id/141501/page/2

It's very important to note that once one can question the validity and necessity of WW2, it's a lot easier to see what's wrong with Iraq. And it's BECAUSE we are unable or unwilling to accept the idea we can let Hitler have his way, that easily gets us at our emotions and fears, thus justifying Iraq & Iran.


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You are wrong

We didn't attack Germany to stop Hitler? As I recall, Hitler declared war against the US after Dec 7, 1941.

1 Million babies weren't aborted. One million fetuses were aborted. I'm sure many more then that.

However, that you don't care that 10 million living, breathing, thinking, feeling, especially feeling the flames they were burned alive in, is quite telling.

Don't you think?

Posted by IbrahimAv on Wed, 07/02/2008 - 00:23
We did

We didn't attack him to stop him from killing Jews (his most infamous crime). We attacked him to stop him from stopping communism.

I don't care for people outside of my country, what's telling about that? Because where would be stop if we always have to worry about other countries? What country isn't killing people daily? Where do you end your aid and invasion from Africa to Asia if it's always our business to make sure they don't kill civilians?

Cynical Posted by Cynical on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 02:05
We most assuredly did not attack him for killing Jews

Did some one tell you that we did? Not in any history course I ever took in school, including graduate studies. But we didn't attack him to stop him from stopping communism either. But that is from the Ernst Zundel School of Thought.

The rest of your comments are to inane to consider.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 02:27
At least I can spell.

What did we attack him for then? Taking over the world? Churchill and Roosevelt wasn't doing that? Attacking a country that never attacked us?

Roosevelt was perfect for internment camping Japanese people?

But hey, cheer up, Nazis care about human sacrifice!
http://www.answp.com/magazine/2008/06/thumbs/nationalsocialist0608-0708_...

Cynical Posted by Cynical on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 02:51
Complaining about spelling

only occurs when you lost the argument.

But then you never had an argument.

As for the reasons for The US's entry in the war against germany, you'll have to go to a real school and learn the answers.

Or you could wait for one of the talking heads here to unenlighten you as to the reasons.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 04:27
Fair enough

You're better because you said I lost an argument I never had.

Go to real school to learn real answers? Fine.

Cynical Posted by Cynical on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 04:50
I'm better?

If you say so.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 10:55
Are you kidding?

Of course you're better, you want to police the world, who would disagree we need people like you?

Cynical Posted by Cynical on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 16:29
Just want to keep genocide off the table

Of course, as it doesn't affect the way your life is led, I'll make sure they don't enlist you. You'll only fire at those firing on you, not the soldier in the next foxhole.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Thu, 07/03/2008 - 19:22
Let Hitler have his way

Who cares if someone half-way around the world commits genocide as long as he hasn't affected our way of life?

Posted by IbrahimAv on Wed, 06/25/2008 - 01:34
Cute

you obviously haven't gotten your history straight or read Buchanan's refutation of the false accusations.

Hitler did NOT have the Final Solution until he was losing the war. So there WAS NO GENOCIDE until we got involved. And you think you're being sarcastic, but yes, I completely stand by that statement "Who cares if someone half-way around the world commits genocide as long as he hasn't affected our way of life?"

How can you criticize what we're doing to Iraq and Iran if you think stopping genocide & tyranny is our business?

Cynical Posted by Cynical on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 07:14
Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its

Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire:

http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/07/23/pat-buchanan-4/

Posted by NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 08:21
Buchanon refuted

America's Ernst Zundel has been refuted enough by others. No need to add my 2 cents.

Who cares if the President of France erects a statue of Moloch and starts sacrificing human babies ripped out of the wombs of Albanians mothers as long as it doesn't affect our way of life.

The Holocaust did not start in 1942. It is more likely that Hitler, envisioning eventual loss decided he needed to accelerate the effort of wholesale murder.

Your last question does not address anything I have or haven't done in this forum.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Sat, 06/28/2008 - 16:48
Really?

Nevermind, I apologize for wasting time on you, ZIONIST WARMONGER.

Refuted? By Hitchens? Again, how can you buy Hitchen's pro-war argument and not buy his/Bush's/neocons' pro-war argument?

Nobody said the Holocaust started in 1942, the point here is there was no final solution or mass extermination policy (or action) until Hitler was losing the war.

Again, I am sensing your sarcasm because I seriously don't find it hard to say I don't care what somebody does at the other end of the world.

Why doesn't it address anything you haven't? What's wrong with invading Iraq? Aren't we stopping Saddam from genociding the Kurds? Aren't we freeing people from their religious oppression? Don't we owe justice and freedom to the world even if what they do hasn't affected us?

Cynical Posted by Cynical on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 21:59
The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Mi

The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUMgtbasByA&feature=PlayList&p=C96874279E...

Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/3w3e97

The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot.com/2008/06/transparent-cabal-neocon...

Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/69dqvf

Scott McClellan Questioned about Neocon Push for Iraq War (and the coming attack on Iran):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LktFfHciyqg&feature=PlayList&p=9B042828F9...

Additional info at the following URL:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot.com/2008/06/scott-mcclellan-question...

Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/6gzo4o

Neocons Pushed Us into War with Iraq and Now with Iran!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxD55LnlGg&feature=PlayList&p=71316451BE...

Additional info at the following URL:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot.com/2008/07/neocons-pushed-us-into-w...

Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/5aspp5

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McCain, NeoCons, the Israel Lobby Ron Paul Weekly Standard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLeZXrluZw

Additional info at the following URL:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot.com/2008/03/make-people-aware-subscr...

Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/358b8c

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Be sure to access the 'Thinking about Neoconservatism' and 'Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement' articles linked near the top of the following URL:

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=32606

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Posted by NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 08:29
You can't have it both ways

You stated there was no GENOCIDE (your caps) until 1942. No genocide means no holocaust.

That you seriously don't care about 1 million babies slaughtered per year to feed the a statue in France because it doesn't affect your life is rather disturbing but that reaction was expected of you.

Posted by IbrahimAv on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 22:48
OK then

We both know what Buchanan meant, and I know what I said. I said there was no genocide in mass scale until we got involved, am I wrong?

You can hardly refute to the fact there was no final solution on the table, and we didn't attack Germany to stop Hitler, there was no evidence Hitler even wanted to cross the line. We certainly didn't attack Germany to save Jews either.

So you've made it quite simple enough, that 1 million babies dead at a statue is our business as if we don't have one million babies aborted in our country you care more about. (I don't care for either, proudly).

You're saying basically you'd like to see war with France because one million babies dead is not as bad as more civilians dead in our name. Fair enough.

Cynical Posted by Cynical on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 23:42
You're finally getting it theskeptic Posted by theskeptic on Wed, 06/25/2008 - 01:43
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