"I cannot teach you violence, as I do not myself believe in it. I can only teach you not to bow your heads before any one even at the cost of your life." - Mahatma Gandhi

"It doesn't mean that I advocate violence, but at the same time, I am not against using violence in self-defense. I don't call it violence when it's self-defense, I call it intelligence." - Malcolm X

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." - The Declaration of Independence

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We don't need violence to accomplish our goals of a free America. We need to be informed, active, passionate, brave even... but not violent. Violent uprising in America doesn't work, you lose the peoples respect and support. We need to win hearts and minds, not stir base passions of bloodlust. We need to say NO! Not DIE! Who would you rise against? Our Kids in uniform, our Brothers, Sisters, Uncles, Aunts?
We need to unify our voices in the defense of Liberty, we could never unify an action beyond that, without that.
Talk to everyone, open your heart to them, teach them to survive, the darkness is always followed by light.
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Non-violent revolt is always the best approach. It is the most humane approach. Certainly it has been demonstrated successfully for all to see. That being said, I am sure the other side does not feel that way and I don't want to make history books as a martyr. It seems the pacifisits have a bad habit of getting killed before their time.

If you have to stop and ask yourself "Is violence necessary?" then it is not necessary. If such a time of last resort were to come, we'd all know it, and there would be no speculation, or doubt. While no one can legally advocate violence, we all better prepare ourselves for it, because as we all know, our enemies have no such qualms about beating, shooting, electrocuting, and dousing with chemicals. They laugh and makes jokes about it in their police stations. Call it disaster preparedness if you want, but it would be foolhardy not to prepare oneself. We can't afford to sit idly on our hands like the French while those few brave enough to stand up and speak out are taken away to some far off prison camp, or mysteriously murdered in a dark alleyway.

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The average American doesn't have a clue about what is going on. Today's stock market action may have gotten their attention, but they don't understand the cause of it. So there would be very few people in your army.

Now if W refuses to leave office in January then its time to get the guns out. That would be an undeniable violation of the constitution and would mark the end of a free America. There would be plenty of people up in arms about that...I think. Although now that I think about it, Rudy stayed on beyond the end of his term as mayor of New York following 911 . Maybe that was a trial run to see if the people would allow it in preparation for having W do the same thing.

I have been reading Gandhi's Non-Violent Resistance (Satyagraha) off and on for the past 6 months, and one thing I've learned is that a Gandhi/MLK style protest is not just something you do in the evenings and on the weekends; it's a lifestyle and a mindset. In order to have a truly non-violent revolution, you need people who live in protest for months or years. Until we have people willing to live and work in that mindset, and a set of rules defining that mindset for everyone to follow, it will collapse and have little to no effect.

The people have not stirred
We are abandoned by those who still live in fear.
The people have not heard.
Yet will will not abandon those who cannot hear.
- Les Miserables

First they ignore you [when you say NO], then they ridicule you [when you say NO], then they fight you [when you say NO], then you win [when they learn]. - Mahatma Gandhi.

Irrespective of whatever personal views we might hold, neither Breakthematrix nor any of us as individuals can or should advocate violent overthrow. Such advocacy is itself a crime that can get freedom leaders thrown in jail. We need our freedom leaders to NOT be in jail at this crucial moment in the nation's history. Moreover, and more importantly, there is no need or reason for freedom people to advocate violent overthrow. The regime is crumbling on its own, and we already have an existing constitutional framework in America to build upon as we sweep the corrupt leaders away. Freedom people are the supporters of constitution governance-- our adversaries are the anarchists and criminals who every day violate their sacred oaths to preserve and defend the constitution. Our task is to throw these DC and bankster anarchists/criminals out of office and power, and (for some) into prison-- at all times utilizing entirely lawful and constitutional means. They are the criminals, not us. This difference between us and them is one of the most important advantages we have in the fight for freedom-- and we should not toss away this valuable (indeed essential) strategic tool with loose and unnecessary talk of violent overthrow. R

for a majority of us here. It certainly would be my first option. But I think the more important point to consider is not whether "we" would prefer civil disobedience to violence but rather "what" level of response is appropriate to the conditions that are foisted upon us against our will.

If, for example, the bailout is a total failure and the economy pulls a 1929 - (only much much worse) and say hyperinflation and rioting occurs. If this is the factual situation that we are faced with, are we goona sit around and talk about civil disobedience? Would anybody even pay attention to civil disobedience at that point?

In other words, I think it is a bit naive (maybe thats the wrong word) to think that this is somehow our decision to make. That decision is in the hands of people way more powerful than us. They act, we react.

I believe that we can achieve our revolution peacefully, using the Constitution that the founders left us. Remember, they had to fight because there was no Constitution (although they had Magna Carta). The founders left us a document that, although our government has been violating it, can be thrown back at them and used to make them comply with our wishes.

That being said, I believe it is also a time for Americans to call up the warrior within themselves. There are 300 million of us, and the government must know that our demands are ultimately backed up by force. Not the force of aggression to overthrow the government, but the righteous force of self defense of our life, liberty, and property. It is important to remember that attacking the PROPERTY of a free people gives them the right to defend themselves with force - that was clearly stated by Locke and our founding fathers. A free people ARE NOT REQUIRED to negotiate when aggression against their liberty is attacked, but our natural desire for peace and to avoid bloodshed motivates us to use force only as a last resort.

First, Americans have to figure out what liberty really is. As I wrote in my article, they are really still demanding more socialism, so it should come as no surprise if that is exactly what they get. However, once we are truly demanding our liberty, government should know that it is a DEMAND, not a polite request, and that they will either respect it OR WE WILL DEFEND OURSELVES.

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I am ready for peaceful civil disobedience, getting off the grid, etc. I have not prepared even for a self-defense situation yet, but I'm hoping my hubby will. I waver between peaceful forms of civil disobedience (protests, disregarding so-called free speach zones, etc.) to being willing to defend my pea-patch and family with a firearm, but I personally am against participating in a violent overthrow of the government. (Maybe it's my faith that is the issue here, I take Jesus' words seriously on turning the other cheek, but it doesn't say anything about letting someone murder you or your family under color of law. OTOH Paul after exausting all legal remedy submitted to the authorities, who promptly beheaded him.)

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone; and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.--John Quincy Adams