Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia Crime Rate Plummets
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Type of Content: Article The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes. The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998. With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you? The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence. The facts tell a different story. What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish. There have been two occasions in my own family when the presence of a handgun averted potential disaster. In both instances the gun was never aimed at a person and no shot was fired. Read »
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I can say that regardless of stats, the law is a valid and a good law and it is one tiny example of the local city government working WITH the citizens instead of lording over them. The city government in the tiny hamlet Kennesaw would back you up rather than hand you over to the jackbooted Feds. You are also never going to see any video of a mistaken drug raid resulting in an innocent person being killed by the police, or the police doing door to door checks for guns or other typical harassing measures.
Mass murderers have gotten away with killing millions of people, and it has happened in every decade. You think it would be impossible to kill 20 million people without being overthrown, yet that is exactly what Stalin did. Pol Pot did much the same thing. Idi Amin, Pinochet, Hitler, and Mao all mass murderers and they put their armies against an unarmed citizenry and won every time. That is the single difference in the US population and the rest. Oh and how the powers that be are trying to change it.
Stop bickering amongst yourselves and wake up.
"But I think the onus should be on the naysayers to disprove the stats not the other way around. "
That's only in the event that the stats given are complete enough to be meaningful. To say "We only had 3 murders in 15 years" is all well and good, but if you didn't have a single one for the previous fifty, it's not exactly an improvement, is it? It's up to the author to make his case in the first place, if he/she wishes to be taken seriously. Only one year's worth of data prior to the law? And that year smack dab in the middle of a recession? You bring that to the table in the gun rights debate, and everyone will dismiss it as empty propaganda. You want to be taken seriously? Show crime trends from the '60s and 70's to establish a significant baseline. Then also show them for the entirety of the 80's and the 90's.
It's also interesting to note that even according to your own source (badly outdated as well-2001), not even the NRA or the SAF were willing to sign off on this story.
-SG
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
Frankly I'm wary of any pro-second Amendment advocates who are un-familiar with this story. Unless maybe they're new converts or perhaps under 30. But I think the onus should be on the naysayers to disprove the stats not the other way around. This information can easily be found (and perhaps some stats to disprove the basic premise) with any search engine. Also to help in the search don't forget about Morton Grove, Ill. Because the Kennesaw law was merely a "statement" and a protest against a law in Morton Grove, Ill which banned all handguns. And to add to the story home invasions and other crimes went up in Morton Grove after handguns were outlawed. This basic view of gun laws (looking at the same area immediately before and after strict new gun laws) is pretty solid. Restrict gun ownership for law abiding citizens and crime goes up. This isn't rocket science.
http://publicrights.org/Kennesaw/NewsMax2001.html
This kind of article drives me crazy. It reminds me of the untruthfulness (lying) of Christians in the ID/Evolution argument.
There are probably 10,000 small towns across America who had DROPS in murder during this period, with no gun laws of such ridiculous merit on their books. (I say probably, but I have no data. But I bet I could weed out 10,000 towns and produce this kind of dubious data...)
Going from five murders to four will produce a 20% decline. It isn'y even worth spitting in a cup over...
Requiring someone to possess a gun, though, is Unconstitutional. What kind of a nutjob town inflicts that kind of law on its citizens?
I am embarrassed this kind of article even exists in the modern world...
This is an article from 1998. That explains how baldy outdated the data is. Doesn't change, of course, the original article's deceptiveness. The gun-ban folks would eat you alive. Try finding some data from this century, why don't you?
-SG
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
The Grackle's Nest
It is extremely selective about how it provides statistics. For instance:
-It claims the murder rate as something extraordinary following the implementation of the gun ownership requirement. But curiously, it does not say a damned thing about what the murder rate was before that measure was adopted. How is one to make a comparison?
-It claims drops of 75% and 45% in the first few years of the requirement, but as the figures indicate that there are only 55 or so crimes a year in the first place, simple chance and economic factors could account for a great deal of the fluctuation.
-The article also significantly omits what the trend has been since 1983. That doesn't appear to be an accident: why does the article not touch on the crime rate trends over the most recent 15 years on record?
-The most recent figures are 1998? What moron is compiling the data, Barney Fife? That's 10 years ago!
I am a strong supporter of both gun ownership rights and concealed carry. But this article stinks to high heaven: it's either badly outdated or it's a propaganda piece. And if propaganda is all you've got, don't enter the debate. Any gun control advocate with three brain cells to rub together could punt this crap through the uprights without breaking a sweat.
-SG
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
The Grackle's Nest
SG,
It revives my faith in we the people to see a fellow thinker out there questioning all.
1.Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.
By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.
2./3.The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.
And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.
4. The FBI figurers agree with the for mention using Atlanta as a example for area crime rates. The population has grown in Kennesaw but I think that would be understandable with out explanation.
1.http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288
2./3.http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/2nd_Amend/crime_rate_plummets.htm
4. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2007prelim/table4.htm
addition recommended research:
http://www.google.com/search?q=fbi+crime+rate+in+KENNESAW%2C+GEORGIA+&rl...
http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html
Thank you my friend for your time in effort in your post. I hope that I have answered your questions with the facts if I have not please do not hesitate to contact me. I would also like to thank you for pointing out the flaws in my post.
God Grants Liberty only to Those Who love It and are Always ready to guard and Defend It. -Daniel Webster
Or is it just paranoid rambling?
-SG
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
The Grackle's Nest
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Paranoid rambling huh...lol.
As in?
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-SG
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
The Grackle's Nest
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