GOOD AS GOLD: A Nevada Business Man Trumped the IRS in Federal Court
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Type of Content: Article A Southern Nevada business man trumped the IRS in federal court by challenging America's dual monetary system. Las Vegas attorney Joel Hanson details the case. STORY BY MIKE ZIGLER, PHOTOS BY CODY BOOR Kahre hadn’t committed a crime. He had upset the Internal Revenue Service by paying his workers based on the face value of gold and silver coins, versus the market value in the Federal Reserve system (the value of the coins in U.S. paper dollars). Even though the coins were in circulation, displayed a face value, and were regulated by Congress, the IRS’s confusing and endless tax code did not determine how to handle these gold and silver coins if used for payroll. The tax code only references dollars. It does not distinguish between coined money and paper money. Kahre didn’t opt for the precious metal bullion system without first doing his homework. He consulted monetary experts, engaged in extensive research, and even met with congressmen. Kahre’s conclusion was simple: While the currency in the precious-metal system was greater in value than the currency in the other system, as money and a medium of exchange, the law knows no difference between the face value of both currencies. The IRS expected Kahre to report his workers’ earnings based on the coins’ market value in the Federal Reserve system. Instead, he didn’t report or pay anything at all because the face value of the coins fell below the reporting threshold. The IRS alleged that Kahre and the other defendants paid at least $114 million (based on the Federal Reserve system) to workers. The use of these coins in trade is a direct challenge to the fiat money system now in place. “Bobby Kahre is the only person in the world I know of with the courage to do that,” said Joel Hansen, a Las Vegas attorney who represented one of the nine defendants in the case. While the purpose of the case was to identify the intent of the defendants, the trial that followed tested America’s dual monetary system and further validated that the U.S. greenback is quickly becoming more and more a worthless piece of paper. In 1985, Ron Paul and other congressmen challenged our country’s currency system, which was monopolized by Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) — the familiar greenbacks in American wallets. The congressmen successfully pursued the Gold Bullion Coin Act, which required the U.S. government to mint and place gold coins in denominations of $50, $25, $10 and $5 into circulation based on demand. The coins are made of 91.67 percent pure gold. The ultimate purpose of the act was to allow Americans to invest in gold. However, it also brought sanity back to this country’s monetary system by establishing a dual system. Instead of the Federal Reserve solely providing the money supply by endlessly printing FRNs, the U.S. government now minted and circulated precious metal coins. In the mid-’90s, Kahre began exercising this alternate system. He compensated workers for their labor in the form of these gold and silver coins versus FRNs. The workers calculated their income and tax liability based on the face value of the coins. One gold coin with a face value of $50 currently equals $806 in FRNs. If a worker earns a $50 gold coin each week, that person takes home an annual income of $2,600 based on the precious metal system, which is below the income-tax reporting threshold for an employee. However, the value of the coins in FRNs — $41,912 — is not. That’s the basic idea. The IRS did not fancy Kahre’s gold-and-silver payroll system, and after seven years of operating his family businesses in this fashion, he and eight others found themselves as defendants in a Las Vegas federal courtroom. Kahre was charged with 109 counts of tax-related crimes, varying from tax evasion to willful failure to file and conspiracy to evade taxes. Fifty-two other counts were divided among the other defendants. While the case was about the intent of the defendants, it raised several issues. There was the issue of whether or not Kahre’s workers were considered independent contractors, who are responsible for paying their own taxes, or employees, who have their taxes withheld by their employer each pay period. Then there’s the issue of America’s dual monetary system. If there are two monetary systems, and the value of one system’s currency is greater than the other beyond its face value, what is the standard for determining the value of taxable income? No Federal Court of Appeals has ever ruled that the gold coins in question must be reported to the IRS based on FRN market value. “The defense showed that the defendants believed in good faith that a Federal Reserve Note is not the standard because Congress created the dual monetary system,” Hansen said. “The defendants believed that gold and silver coins are just as legitimate and legal as our other tender, the FRN.” Read »
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is that on another thread you said something about differentiating between lawful non-filers/payers and unlawful (so called tax cheats) - - im trying to figure out where that line between lawful and unlawful may be in your analysis. Saying it depends on the individual circumstances of each person is of course true, as each person's individual circumstances goes into figuring what is or isn't owed, etc... for the vast number of people who do file. I am not challenging you - i am asking you from your ten years of studying the tax code, whether those generic categories of people have to file or not. I dont want to hear about success stories, because as you and I both know, there are also plenty of people who have not been successful and have in fact been convicted of various forms of tax related charges in federal court. Those convictions have held up on appeal - and in fact, lawyers have been sanctioned and disbarred when making certain "frivolous" arguments to the appellate courts in tax cases. Not every case is the same, not every argument was the same - but it happens. I dont want it to happen to people here. As im sure you dont either.
A self employed individual took in $50,000 in his business/profession/independent contracting whatever. Is that person required to file a federal return according to your analysis?
Second hypothetical: A corporate employed (not self employed) person made 35k in the last yr - is that person required to file?
Third: A part time employee of a local fast food chain made 2,500 last yr - is that person required to file?
Simple yes or no would suffice. All persons are single, no dependents and no other income from other sources is involved.
A simple yes or no? Sure, counselor!
One does not answer baited questions of income taxation with a simple yes or no, unless he wants to create liability for himself. Not me!
I can only state facts known to me personally from studying the Tax Code for the past ten years, and well-settled rulings of the federal courts, and what I read directly from the Internal Revenue Manual, and what I have received by way of evasions for the past ten years from IRS employees that can't seem to answer the most basic question of income taxation that one can imagine.
You see, Windy, my "analysis" (as you call it) is immaterial. In determining who does (or does not) have a legal duty for keeping records, filing, or paying income tax, the Tax Code is all that counts. If the Tax Code imposes a duty on you to file or pay, then you must do so. Period.
Is that too difficult for you to understand? No; but apparently it's too difficult for every IRS employee I have asked!
Seriously: I've asked IRS employees in San Antonio, Austin, Ogden, Memphis, Irvine, and Nashville at least ten times, by certified mail since 1999, this most basic possible question about my duty to file: "can you please cite the section of the Tax Code that establishes a legal duty for the average American living and working in one of the 50 States, to keep records, file returns, and pay income taxes?"
They have evaded answering every time, sending me back two kinds of evasions: a) "our dog ate my homework, we'll get back to you" or b) "we are sending your question to the IRS office listed below; please contact them for your answer."
Think I'm kidding? Send me your email address offline, Windy, and I'll forward you the PDF copies of these IRS evasions spanning all these years. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so criminal.
But the IRS has a DUTY to know the answer to that basic question, don't you think?
Of course! In fact, this is exactly what the Internal Revenue Manual says on the matter, and I agree that IRS terrorists can't just fake it until they get cashola from you!:
IRM 4.10.7.1 Overview.
"Examiners are responsible for determining the correct tax liability as prescribed by the Internal Revenue Code. It is imperative that examiners can identify the applicable law, correctly interpret its meaning in light of congressional intent, and, in a fair and impartial manner, correctly apply the law based on the facts and circumstances of the case."
IRM 4.10.7.2 Researching Tax Law.
"Conclusions reached by examiners must reflect correct application of the law, regulations, court cases, revenue rulings, etc. Examiners must correctly determine the meaning of statutory provisions and not adopt strained interpretation."
After almost ten years' studying the Code, all I can deduce from the law and rulings is that unless a person's activities or situation is specifically found in the Tax Code (residents of D.C., Guam, Puerto Rico, the Marshall Islands, etc; those who operate merchant vessels; those who make foreign income; those who manufacture or sell alcohol, tobacco, firearms, or explosives, and other taxable activities and situations listed in the law), then that person is nowhere made liable in the Tax Code. Or if he is, the IRS isn't telling where!
The burden of proof rests on the affirmative. If YOUR "analysis" is that these hypothetical kinds of Americans DO have a duty to keep IRS records, or file IRS forms, or pay IRS demands for money...then perhaps you'll show us all where in the law you are finding such a duty imposed?
The federal courts have said, “The taxpayer must be liable for the tax. Tax liability is a condition precedent to the demand. Merely demanding payment, even repeatedly, does not cause liability.” Boathe v. Terry, 713 F.2d 1405 (1983)
“Keeping in mind the well-settled rule that the citizen is exempt from taxation unless the same is imposed by clear and unequivocal language, and that where the construction of a tax law is doubtful, the doubt is to be resolved in favor of those upon whom the tax is sought to be laid.” Spreckels Sugar Refining Co. v. McClain, 192 U.S. 297 (1904)
“In the interpretation of statutes levying taxes it is the established rule not to extend their provisions, by implication, beyond the clear import of the language used, or to enlarge their operations so as to embrace matters not specifically pointed out. In case of doubt they are construed most strongly against the government, and in favor of the citizen.”
Gould v. Gould , 245 U.S. 151 (1917)
Black’s Law Dictionary 6th Edition defines the legal principle inclusio unius est exclusio alterius as dictating that “where law expressly describes a particular situation to which it shall apply, an irrefutable inference must be drawn that what is omitted or excluded was intended to be omitted or excluded.”
There exist many sections of the Tax Code describing domestic income that is taxable; I cited a few of them above. I cite many more of them on my American Glasnost blog. All those sections indicate taxable activities and conditions, but I do not find any section of law indicating that the average American's income is taxable, thus “an irrefutable inference must be drawn” that our income is not taxable, counselor.
At least until IRS can start showing some law. So far they can't or they won't, so 67 million of us are out of the "fair share" line, with several million more joining us each year.
It would appear to me that not until the individual decides to self-assess and then sign under penalty of perjury (claiming that he owes "x" amount to al Qaeda), does there exist a liability. But it also appears very much that this whole scam is tax industry and IRS entrapment, extortion, fraud, and racketeering (alongside Congress). Otherwise non-liable citizens are only made liable by getting them to trap themselves!
Now, I'm open to correction, of course, if you can cite some Tax Code sections for me.
Who is to blame? Certainly not the stupid IRS line worker; they just do what their managers order them to do. I'm convinced that most of them are as ignorant as all those self-trapping Taxpayers.
Ignorance is expensive.
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I know I will probably get some boos but I have to point out the fine points of what I can. If you read the article you will find upon closer inpection.
Just to clarify this case was not about whether he had to pay the tax just whether he had to go to jail for criminal charges the IRS was trying to make him an example of like Wesley Snipes.
"Based partially on cases that pre-dated the 1985 Gold Bullion Coin Act, the judge in the case did not allow defense attorneys to argue that Kahre was justified to pay workers based on the face value of the coins. Based on case law, the court concluded that income had to be calculated based on the FRN fair market value, rather than upon the face value."
So he lost the legal arguement but didn't have to go to jail.
“The Supreme Court said, if they don’t have criminal intent, then they are not guilty of tax evasion,” Hansen explained. “That doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay the tax, but it means you didn’t commit a crime and won’t go to jail for a felony.”
He will STILL have to PAY the tax!!! Not to mention because it was a hung jury they can work on finding one that will convict him later.
as filers, the defendants still create a prima facie case for owing taxes under the Code.
Distinguo. I don't want to confuse people, but this is how the Congress has built the trap. If you sign a document as "taxpayer", you are conceding a point of law found in the definitions section of the Tax Code. "Taxpayer" is defined as anyone subject to a tax under the law. So when you file IRS forms because the government and the tax industry conspires to defraud you into believing that the law requires it, you are signing as "Taxpayer".
Look at a Form W4, or a 1040; see? You are a "taxpayer" when you sign under penalty of perjury. Since the Code says that "Taxpayer" is "anyone subject to a tax hereunder", then you are conceding that you owe an income tax, even though you have never seen a section of the Tax Code saying that you do!
I have challenged "windycityatty" and anyone else who cares to debate me on this. I don't care if you're a tax attorney with 40 years' experience, I'm happy to take you on right here, and make a fool of one of us. Show me a section of the Code that establishes a legal duty for the average American living and working in one of the 50 States to keep records, file forms, or pay IRS demands.
Come on Dan, you're a CPA. Surely you can win those two ounces of gold from me right here, right now? Can't you just feel the heft of those .9999 pure gold buffaloes in your hand next week, at my expense?
Give it a shot. But if I win, YOU send ME two gold buffaloes. That's the deal, Mr. CPA.
But you have made the point I made earlier; this case only reinforced the regnant follies and the government fraud. It's a case of a shrewd guy paying his workers in gold in order to avoid some taxation that they wouldn't even owe at all if they would learn Tax Honesty and just stand up for truth.
they enforce threw liens and taking property you own regardless of you signing a document for the tax or not. IRS has created a return for several of my clients I end up having to dispute because of their strong arm tactics. That is why I am the bearer of bad news!! But don't shoot the messenger!!!
I'm not out for your gold because all this is SHEER politics. Regardless if you have gotten them off your back in the past threw sheer persistance of assuring your situation is aligned the way you feel your position can be dutifully defended against any intrusion & is not on me to debate or say you are wrong about it. All I am concerned for are those that are affected by the shrewd tactics they take with bank backing of laws that are keeping people from living fulfilling lives because of (any) property being taken.
Unfortunately, anyone with a license that deals with banking or law have their licenses revoked for not filing or following ALL STATE & FEDERAL laws. So to fight against those involved in intruding into our lives we have to play their 'game' and pay their blood money. Then we find we work over half the year for the bag man in one form or another beyond just the amount is says you owe on one form filed at year end. How much more do they take in any other form of a tax?? Have we figured how much this tyranical government's interst costs us in total??
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/IncomeTax.htm
One thing I am beginning to understand as I learn more law and political policies is that we need to fight them threw law reform/reduction (i.e. required mediation, change in consciousness of no 'judge' has a right to make desicions for any one person for the better of the community) & policies (i.e. Term Limits, Monetary reform, etc.) to fix this mess.
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Dan,
Why do you mention that you'll have your license revoked if you don't follow all State and federal laws, Dan? Do you regularly violate them? I sure don't!
Look, I know you're playing good cop, Dan. I also know your career depends on the IRS scam continuing; please don't try to paper it any other way.
Moreover: I should not be having to teach this stuff to a CPA. I'm happy to do so, on the chance that you're willing to be one of the 'reformers' types in your profession, like Joe Banister, who used to carry a pistol for the Department of the Treasury until he learned the truth. Joe is now a CPA. Yes, a practicing CPA, Dan; and he takes a very vocal stand against the IRS corruption!
You seem to be one of the honest ones, too, Dan. But you're also putting false statements out there that tend to terrorise productive people. Don't do that, Dan; it's dishonest and it harms the cause of Tax Honesty.
Do you really not know that you're making misrepresentations of facts that terrorise people? If so, you should consider taking a hiatus from your profession until you learn the law and the cases, Dan. But let me educate you on just a couple of the more egregious matters of tax fraud that are committed literally hundreds of times a day by operatives of the IRS under the direction of their upline nam=nagers.
Please let me make clear: this is nothing personal, bro!
1) You said: "they enforce threw [sic] liens and taking property you own regardless of you signing a document for the tax or not."
This is absolutely FALSE, if the citizen understands how the IRS commits fraud with every "notice of lien" they file in a county recorder's office. So let's discuss IRS "liens", shall we?
First, how does the law recognise a true ('choate') lien from just some crank making a claim against someone else? Go to your State's property code, and you will see the statutory minima for the creation of a true lien:
a) the parties must have an agreement or the alleged 'debtor' must have signed something agreeing to pay the alleged 'creditor'. The IRS looks for your signed return to meet this part of the law; if you didn't sign one, the try to force you to sign one!
Note what the federal appellate court said about this: “The taxpayer must be liable for the tax. Tax liability is a condition precedent to the demand. Merely demanding payment, even repeatedly, does not cause liability.” Boathe v. Terry, 713 F.2d 1405, at 1414 (1983)
So if you haven't signed any ignorant "IOU" with them for a given year, they will do everything they can to terrorise you into signing one. But you don't have to do it until they show you the law requiring that you do it.
b) the second legal prerequisite in your State Property Code for the creation of a true lien is an abstract of judgment. In other words, a judge (real judge, not a play administrative 'judge' in a tax court) has to have signed a judgment against you for the amount of the creditor's claim; then a choate lien exists.
One of the most devious, mendacious frauds that IRS is running today is the "tax lien" fraud. THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE MERE ADMINISTRATIVE FILINGS IN YOUR COUNTY RECORDS, WITHOUT ANY ABSTRACT OF JUDGMENT. In other words, they are a one-sided claim that has never seen a judge's adjudication of those claims; in other words, the IRS person just claims something is so, and POOF!...supposedly it becomes so!
Hogswallop. That "Notice of Federal Tax Lien" is no more a lien than my pet iguana is a true lien. You may say that the bank or the employer or the mortgage company still treats an IRS 'notice of lien' as though it was a lien. But guess what? That just means there's conspiracy to defraud the citizen going on...any target of such a lien has grounds for a lawsuit if anything is "seized" (stolen) under such fraudulent tactics.
But it gets even better, Dan. MUCH better! You will first need to go fetch a copy of one of your clients' "notice of tax lien", and we'll test this.
Go ahead...run and get one. I'll wait right here.
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OK, got it? A Notice of Federal Tax Lien? Good. Now note the signature of the IRS al Qaeda operative at the bottom. What do you see? TWO names, right?
Yes; you see an illegible signature by one IRS operative, and then it says in print, "FOR RALPH SCHNARTZ", or whatever the other IRS persdon's name may be. The important thing to note in this scam is that one IRS operative signs but only with an initial for the first name...while the other operative has his/her whole name appear...but doesn't sign!
Why do they do this? Because then both parties can claim they didn't actually make the filing; so neither one can be indicted!
Here in Texas, you see, fraudulent filings of supposed liens is a jailable crime, Dan. EVERY SINGLE IRS NOTICE OF 'LIEN' in the State of Texas constitutes commission of FRAUD, per Texas Government Code 51.901(c)(2)(B) and Texas Penal Code 32.48!
I challenge anyone here to Google those sections of law. See that indeed, everything I have said is TRUE. I don't care if it's the President of the United States...one person cannot simply claim a "lien" on another person's property (at least in TX; not all State legislatures are as wise as mine) without proving in a court that the person whose property they are trying to take, actually owes that money!
Many years ago, the IRS tried that horse-hockey on me, trying to get me to file one of their returns. They filed such a "notice of lien" in my County, and I took them to court under Section 51.901(c)(2)(B) of the Texas Government Code (Fraudulent Lien Filings).
In my case (a non-filer) there existed no agreement between the parties as to a liability or debt owed; they did not have my signature agreeing to such debt or liability.
In my case, the IRS filing also flunked the second test for a choate lien, making it a fraudulent filing per Texas Government Code 51.901(c)(2)(C)...that a true lien has to originate by action of a duly constituted judicial officer or court (i.e., abstract of judgment has to exist).
I've described to you the "team signature" fraud that IRS uses in these filings; per Texas Penal Code 32.48, this filing is a criminal act of fraud when committed in Texas.
In fact, according to 32.49(a)(2)(A), if a filing meets the test for fraud, the perpetrator has (21) days from the date that notice is sent by the person being filed against, to file a release of the purported lien; 32.49(b) stipulates that “(b) A person who fails to execute a release of the purported lien or claim within the period prescribed by Subsection (a)(2) is presumed to have had the intent to harm or defraud another.”
When you say that I"IRS has created a return for several of my clients I end up having to dispute because of their strong arm tactics. That is why I am the bearer of bad news!! But don't shoot the messenger!!!" I say that you are guilty of malpractice as a CPA.
Dan, you should back up and study the law and the cases before directing any further clients into disaster and loss because you do not know the Tax Code, the Internal Revenue Manual, or the well-settled US Supreme Court cases on this matter!
I provide plenty of this on the American Glasnost blog; dozens of cites. This is NOT 'theory'; it is mere citation of well-settled USSC cases, appellate court cases, and plain citations of the Tax Code and the IRS's own operations manual. Don't tell me that this is my "position on tax law"; it is PLAIN CASES AND CITES OF THE LAW.
I offer you my years of diligent study, and all of those cites, free of charge. Continuing education for the aspiring CPA, Dan. You may use all of that material to further your practice and improve your service to your clients. Obviously, you want to stop aiding and abetting the commission of State and federal crimes, Dan. Just because people work for government, does not mean you should let them bully you into violating laws or helping them to violate laws!
Please, PLEASE do not take the side of corrupt administrative employees committing actionable fraud, against the interests of your clients!
I'm dead serious: if you feel you MUST do everything that an IRS employee threatens you must do...then you should seriously consider another profession. As I said, some CPA's have decided to fight for Tax Honesty, and they have a very hard time with al Qaeda...but their clients LOVE them.
Sorry to be so harsh, but lives are often ruined -- NEEDLESSLY -- by 'professionals' who take the side of criminals who then destroy innocent, hard-working Americans. This MUST stop, and believe me...in at least 67 million case, it HAS stopped!
Incidentally, Dan: I'm always open to public challenges and correction. If you provide citations of LAW (not IRS pamphlet hooey) and/or federal court cases from the appellate or Supreme Court level that will offset the ones I have provided, then we'll talk.
Too many CPAs threaten all kinds of terrible things will happen to the client, but never provide citations of law making those terrible things deserved. If you don't know tax law, and if you can't provide a legal basis for those terrible things in a given case, then you are abetting state-sponsored terrorism, and abettiing extortion.
Too many in the tax industry pretend to be against those 'gun-toting', 'break your door down thugs' at the IRS....but really can't prove those threats. That is the tactic of a terrorist, Dan...not of a professional.
Again, thanks for having the guts to be a messenger from the CPA industry. I hope you're willing to learn and then to reform your practices from what you learn. If I could learn this stuff, anyone can.
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of your situation and many I am referring to are those that have already decided they want to use banks for financing and must create that contract by having a need to obtain social services of some type.
I guess you don't need to use banks for loans or other social services that require presenting a tax return to obtain such services. Most I deal with are in that situation. I am not allowed to 'advise' clients of your side of the fence without scrutiny and the like. I have clients on both sides and I find it difficult to mix family members on both side of the fence without putting the one on the need of the services side in a situation of being obligated for the other relative on the other (your) side of the fence.
So tell all of us how you obtain Loans and other services that many of us use responsibly to get ahead being forced into 'contracts' that 'own' us for the rest of our lives.
Do tell us once you've established that 'contract' how you get out of it to keep them from expecting returns for the rest of our lives or taking property in that 'illegal' contract. You seem to relish in your situation without regard of how others ARE (as you say 8:1 audit risk) subject to audit from their contract can keep intrusion out of their life and still be eligible for those services (i.e. loans).
Your websites only explain how to get the IRS off your back not the consequences that come with no longer filing or how your lifestyle must accomodate such consequences.
Not to mention how much it costs for me to go through case law that DOESN'T require my clients going to Supreme Court before they get a outcome we want is not always cost effective. Lawyers will tell you the same.
As you state many times the Tax Courts and the Supreme Courts do not line up and most cases you state are ONLY state law and not FEDERAL Tax court RELEIVING anyone from the IRS tax. ONLY STATE TAXES.
If was possible for me to advise my clients not to pay tax or file a return is not an option as I have stated many times in my emails to you and posts in regard to your subjects.
You tell my clients they have to go through 8 years of courts and still be subject to an tax that is imposed on them.
How about going and telling Bobby of this article he won't get leined for the tax he was just imposed for NOT signing a return or filing a return and having to go to court and IRS doing a return for him (if he didn't have a CPA involved which I am more than sure he did if not the lawyer did) and he won't have to pay the lien put on his property after his 8 year fight. See if he doesn't punch you.
"studyoflife",
Young lady, I haven't had a CPA since years before my husband died. But if you had been our CPA, reeling off such a crock of manure you'd have had one less client for certain. Goodness gracious, you make no sense whstsoever.
a lady.. I'm the guy on the Train!!! LOL
Well at least I'm willing to stick my neck out on the subject!!!
Don't need fickle clients myself.. Only ones that are in it for the long run!!! CPAs are like doctors and lawyers it takes a few to get a good fit and you should interview a few before choosing one as well. Everyone has their own personalities and exceptance of risk....
You won't find me having any optimism toward our economy any time soon!!
if I were you, I would review what you've just written. Review it as dispassionately as possible, taking the view of the average client.
I will not say that it makes no sense; readers can determine that for themselves. But I posit that the CPA industry is running for its life -- as are a lot of tax attorneys -- when they see the prairie fire of Tax Honesty moving across America. So the best you can do is repeat threats of what will "surely happen if you fight them!"
Um...sure, Dan. That's why there are 67 million non-filers today, and that's why your average filer client is PROVEN STATISTICALLY 400% MORE IN DANGER OF IRS CONTACT/HARASSMENT/TARGETING than your average non-filer client, Dan.
This is from the IRS website, Dan. Numbers don't lie; anything horrible you say about the IRS APPLIES FOUR TIMES MORE to those who continue filing!
Do you understand plain numbers, Dan? I thought this was the CPA's stock and trade, no?
I have bank accounts, and my bankers know whenever I open a new account that I am a law-abiding Nontaxpayer. I mark clearly on the account signature card: 'SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, NOT A TAXPAYER ID NUMBER". That is the only thing I do differently than your taxpayer clients, Dan.
That, and I get to keep everything I earn rather than letting DC al Qaeda suck 35% out of my account!
To all: please don't jump on me for being so hard on Dan. I'm sure he's a great guy! He's just in a very raunchy profession, that's all. That, and he likes to make veiled threats without any legal backing, to keep all the clients in the 'fair share' of rape line. That's too bad. I always try to get accountants, tax lawyers, and IRS operatives to consider leaving the DC al Qaeda, but quite frankly I haven't had a lot of success on that front, yet. Most of the income tax al Qaeda has decided to fight Tax Honesty instead; and Dan has just illustrated how they do it: make threats about the horrors awaiting you if you step out of line.
Alas: the statistics prove JUST THE OPPOSITE. The horrors are reserved for the average filer, not the law-abiding Nontaxpayer. I wonder if Dan can show me ONE client who obeyed the law and didn't sign promissory entrapment documents as 'Taxpayer', who STILL got into trouble with al Qaeda?
I'll bet he can't.
When the 'Big Eight' accounting firms became the 'Big Seven' and then the 'Big Six' and then CPAs stopped counting because of the corruption in their profession, Mike Brewster wrote an excellent history of the corruption of the profession: Unaccountable: How the Accounting Profession Forfeited a Public Trust. If you thought reading about accountants was dull, I promise you, Brewster's book is anything BUT. He begins with a survey of the ancient roots of accounting, and brings the reader all the way through the modern scandals, high crimes, and misdemeanors. An ugly business, like what has happened to the legal profession and to so much of medicine. Ugh. But some CPAs have decided to take the side of honesty, and their practices are flourishing.
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a person that just went through court and was forced to pay their Al Queda tax without signing a return.
Robert “Bobby” Kahre now OWES the IRS tax on 114 Million dollars. He isn't even one of my clients to show you. Remember Wesley Snipes recently as well??
Actually in my profession it isn't a GOOD thing to be able to say a client of mine owes tax for NOT filing!!!
Again I am not allowed to advise that or I get my license taken!!!
I know your goal is to get me to quit being a TAX CPA but that is the easiest to get into and getting into Auditing isn't much more 'honest' in my mind either. Looks like if your in finance at all you're part of the GANG!!
I don't find myself 'make[ing] threats about the horrors awaiting you if you step out of line' as I do finding a better way to debate the issue(s) and coming together in a common manner to find a way to make this society a better place for us all in ALL respects!!!
Things that we all want for our children, individual & community safety (without FISA measures), freedom, and most of all social mobility (monetary/time purchasing power) and of course much much more we debate here!!!
It is argued that taxes are for social goods and if you don't pay for those goods then you shouldn't use them. However, the research I do shows me the individual income tax is roughly equal to what they use in the War budget but there are sooooooo many discrepencies between information available everywhere between agencies is almost impossible for the most savvy accountant to follow. I look over GAO reports and IRS statistics all the time and find it more I have to do the calculations myself to get anything valid.
We should not be fighting each other is my point to all of my posts. We are on the same side and all we all want is to get along and hold those that DO use our money ACCOUNTABLE for HOW they use it.
Who is going to use our hard earned money better and how much social responsibility (welfare programs through taxing those whom have to give to those that do not) is fair for whom??
It boils down to those that work the least and make the most pay the least percent of income in tax and complain that they won't have enough for the rest of us if we tax them TOO much. However, that figure of how much is TOO much is up to THEM not the MAJORITY!! Because we all know if we try to ask them to pay more than 'THEY' WANT they just make up for the extra cost we put on them by passing that back onto us through things we depend on them for (i.e. gas). At the same time because they have sooo much extra time from not working because they make all their money from INTEREST they also get to make decisions in our everyday lives through laws that put us in jail for anything that is said to be an idiocy for now knowing is a law because they are over-regulating everything in this country. Then just adding more laws to intrude in more ways because they are the bueacratic authority that can't even authoritize their own lives. Of course only allowed if they have the same world view of those writing the laws.
Which brings me to one of our forefather's quotes:
'The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. ' Thomas Jefferson
THIS IS THE REAL DEBATE!! This is what I come her for!!!
a section of the Tax Code establishing a legal duty for the average American living and working in one of the 50 States to keep records, file forms, or pay the demands of the IRS al Qaeda, then?
If you COULD show such a section of the Code, you'd have done so, right?
Why are you mentioning the hundred million dollars that Mr. Kahre supposedly owes, when I said already that I thought his stunt was stupid, and that anyone who files as "Taxpayer" DOES owe a tax, because they self-assessed and put THEMSELVES in the 'Taxpayer' category? I did NOT say that Mr. Kahre did the right thing at all!
But you cloud the real War on Terror even further, Dan. All this stuff about "can't we all just get along?" is beside the point of this discussion, that hinges on the FACT that the American Taxpayer is 400% more statistically likely to end up in prison or financially ruined this year than the average American Nontaxpayer. All else being equal, those are the statistics, sir.
My point to you was that the accounting 'profession' has engaged in widespread, system-wide moral turpitude of the first order. Fraud. Racketeering. Conspiracy to defraud.
That is SERIOUS, sir. Obviously, the news has chronicled the fall of the accountancy profession over the years; I mentioned Mike Brewster's book because he does an even better job showing where the bodies are buried in the accounting world.
Lying is wrong. Stealing is wrong.
But the U.S. Congress is doing both to the tune of $3,000,000,000,000 annually. On this much we can agree. Problem is, that's the tip of the DC al Qaeda iceberg!
You see, the income tax industry (yep, that's YOU!) is conspiring with the corrupt Congress, to keep the torrent of cash coming in. It's not just the tax accountants, either; not by a long shot! The American Taxpayer's REAL War on Terror is being waged against a massive DC al Qaeda that includes:
- tax attorneys in their huge office buildings with their jets and Cancun condos (remember The Firm?)
- tax accounting firms, same deal
- tax preparation industry
- tax software industry
- tax seminar & publishing industry
- colleges and graduate programs in tax accounting & law
- the tax-avoidance investment industry
- the banking industry
- the mortgage industry (recent news shows how corrupt they are)
- the leasing industry
- the non-profit industry (religious & secular; this one is HUGE...the 'render unto Caesar' parasites)
THIS is the DC al Qaeda, folks...it is a massive, crushing parasitic sector of America that is "tak(ing) away from those who are willing to work and giv(ing) to those who would not" as Dan quoted Jefferson as saying.
So if we're on the same team, Dan should stop avoiding my direct questions, right? I know it strikes fear in his heart...but guess what? That's what he's always done to his clients!
(Notice him still attempting to terrorise readers here? But also notice: not one citation of law. Not one.)
Dan has a way forward, of course; every professional does. Plenty of CPAs are on the right side of America's REAL War on Terror.
Dan's client base is shrinking fast, though, if he wants to stay on al Qaeda's team. Millions of us are no longer afraid when IRS sends their envelope with the fearsome little black vulture on it. First the new Nontaxpayer hires consultants like Nontaxpayer.org to answer the IRS for him because he's still terrorised. But after 2-3 years or less (if he studies a bit) he learn the facts and law and can answer within 48 hours, certified mail, with FACT and with DEMANDS that either the DC al Qaeda must show some LAW...
...or POUND SAND.
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It's a pointless arguement then because I don't deal with NON-taxpayers; I only deal with taxpayers. THUS, as you so eloquently pointed out there is no need for me to tell you what you already know.
Just a caveat to those that want to follow him in his endeavors or any of the others that are part of the Tax Honesty movement. I only hope that it will storm people to use some sort of 'common' theology instead of having a war-mongering attitude we have seem to come to been conditioned to act.
Apparently you are not satisfied with the sites I have posted on the MYTHS to your ideology or find another way other than relishing your freedom from the IRS and getting others to follow your path but giving no answer to questions given back to you. I don't have a problem with the way you live your life and CHOOSING to deal with the IRS the way you do. Nor, am I trying to talk you into changing how you do. I am just concerned for those that choose to follow you that already have a contract and won't be able to get out of it no matter how much information from the code you try to throw back at them. Your dealing with BUEARACRACY!!! You are playing off of idiots that are being replaced with lawyers and ideology behind it from a Bush Administration which looks at you as disposable and doesn't care about your rights. This is the concern I have. Those that have accomplished this task and have no problems I applaud you and hope you can keep their intrusion from interupting your life. But from my own experiences I have seen which is the complete opposite. Lawyers get a bad rap all the time and are actually the people who CREATED this mess... You have businessmen and Lawyers WRITING the tax code with nerds figuring 'what if's' all day long to see what implications changes will have on their own pocket books far beyond the TAX ACCOUNTANT'S and the like you listed.
That's like me bitching at you for not having a hydrogen generator in your car along with everyone you know or making sure each and every building you build isn't on the electricity grid using electricity being dependent by energy companies that reap the tax code every day. Or any other energy you engineers have let be stuffed under the rug for the name of national security and not hiring lawyers or mass open sourcing anything that is suppressed and not released withing 6 months of sale. How far behind have patent laws and pure greedy suppression kept us hundreds of years behind in technology??
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/IncomeTax.htm
Income Tax Myths
"There's just no law requiring you to pay federal income taxes."
The most basic myth of tax protestors is that there is simply no law mandating the payment of income taxes. Frequently one can observe anti-tax types to say something like, “if only someone would show me the law that says that I have to file a tax return and pay taxes, I’d be happy to do it.” I have a strong suspicion that people who say that are not serious, but I’m going to take them at their word. Here are the laws that (a) impose an income tax on you, (b) require you to file an income tax return, and (c) require you to pay taxes:
§ 1
The federal tax laws are contained in the Internal Revenue Code, also known as Title 26 of the United States Code, which is the compilation of laws passed by the Congress (“Title” basically means “Volume” when applied to the U.S. Code as a whole, so Title 26 is what might more casually be called Volume 26).
The Internal Revenue Code is the law that requires people to pay taxes (and yes, the Internal Revenue Code is the law -- for more detail on this point click here).
The most important statutory provision with regard to income taxes is section one of the tax code, 26 U.S.C. § 1. This is the section that actually imposes the income tax. It’s very simply written. If you are unmarried, the relevant provision is § 1(c), which states:
26 U.S.C. § 1
There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every individual . . . who is not a married individual a tax determined in accordance with the following table:
followed by a table specifying the tax rates on various income amounts. If you are married, you are covered by the similar provision at § 1(a). There are also a couple of other possible filing statuses covered elsewhere in § 1 (such as “head of household”), but the basic point is that section 1 imposes an income tax.
§ 61 and § 63
Section 1, it will be observed, imposes the tax on your “taxable income.” How do you know what that is? Section 63 of the Code, 26 U.S.C. § 63, defines “taxable income” to mean “gross income minus the deductions allowed” by chapter 1 of the Code, so now we need to know what “gross income” is. So we turn to section 61 of the Code, 26 U.S.C. § 61, which provides the critical definition:
26 U.S.C. § 61
[G]ross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
. . .
There are 15 items in the full list (I’ve only quoted the first seven), but the key part of the definition is that gross income means “all income from whatever source derived.”
So, between sections 1, 61, and 63, we see that the tax code passed by Congress imposes a tax on your taxable income, which includes all your income, from whatever source derived, less the deductions allowed by the tax laws. So the tax laws do impose a tax on you.
Now, how do you know that you have to file a tax return and actually pay the tax?
§ 6012 and § 6151
Section 6151 of the code, 26 U.S.C. § 6151, says:
26 U.S.C. § 6151
[W]hen a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall, without assessment or notice and demand from the Secretary, pay such tax to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed, and shall pay such tax at the time and place fixed for filing the return (determined without regard to any extension of time for filing the return).
So according to this section, if you are required to file a tax return, you are required to pay the tax owed, to pay it at the time you file your return, and to pay it to the internal revenue officer with whom you file the return.
But who says you’re required to file the return? Turn back to section 6012(a) of the code, 26 U.S.C. § 6012(a), which provides:
26 U.S.C. § 6012(a)
Returns with respect to income taxes * * * shall be made by the following:
(1)(A) Every individual having for the taxable year gross income which equals or exceeds the exemption amount * * *.
The “exemption amount” is defined in 26 U.S.C. § 151(d) as $2000, adjusted for inflation since 1989. You can see the exact amount for the current tax year in the IRS instructions to form 1040. If you have more income than this amount, section 6012 requires you to file a tax return (except that if you’re married, section 6013 gives you the option of filing a joint return with your spouse).
So there it is:
Sections 1, 61, and 63 impose the tax,
Section 6012 requires you to file a tax return if you have income of more than the exemption amount, and
Section 6151 requires you to pay the tax at the time and place fixed for the filing of your return.
§ 6072
And when is your return due? Section 6072 provides the answer: “[R]eturns made on the basis of the calendar year shall be filed on or before the 15th day of April following the close of the calendar year.” This is the statutory basis for the familiar April 15 tax deadline.
Of course, there’s a lot more to know if you want to achieve a full understanding of the tax system. For example, other statutes besides the ones quoted above create the extensive system of tax “withholding,” whereby you actually pay your taxes on your wages in advance, each time you receive a paycheck, so that on the day your return is due the government usually ends up owing you a refund. If you have substantial amounts of unearned income, there are also other statutes that require you to pay estimated taxes each quarter. And, needless to say, there are innumerable, complex statutes that more specifically define how much income tax you owe. But you only need to look at a few, relatively simple statutes to see that the duty to pay income tax is mandatory. You can look up the above statutes yourself in any law library (just ask the librarian to help you find Title 26 of the United States Code.) These statutes demonstrate that the claim that there is no law requiring average Americans to file income tax returns or pay income tax is complete nonsense.
http://www.quatlosers.com/bill_conklin.htm
I just hope that you can keep them out of your life as you claim to have. If one of my clients ever decides to leave me to become a NON-taxpayer I would praise them for trying. However, when I see them back in a few years or hear of them from peers getting reemed I just hope learning from others DOES create a backlash against them to REFORM the laws to make it more simplistic manner and allow us CPAs to actually AUDIT the government unlike they do currently and give them the authoritarian tag they have become to accept.
I also hope your mentor or nontaxpayer advisor wins his case against the IRS because he HAS been invovlved in MANY cases that "NON-Taxpayers" have been determined to BE "TAXPAYER'S" and FINED thousands of dollars for 'Frivilous' tax claims and following advise like this. http://www.restoretherepublic.com/component/option,com_fireboard/func,vi...
They 'WON' their case of not going to jail but still had to pay the tax just like Mr. Bobby above. AND BOBBY TOO argued he was a 'NON-Taxpayer' TOO and LOST because the IRS WON their arguement that they WERE a TAXPAYER!!!
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You haven't explained what Bobby did WRONG to STILL PAY the tax???
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Dealing with the contract the US Corp ENFORCES on us is what we need to FIGHT - NOT each other.
Let's have some fun with gold, shall we?
I love Mr. Kahre's chutzpah but the damage done by his stunt (however great the verdict!) was that that the case perpetuates the propaganda that most people's income is taxable under the Code.
In fact, most people's income today is NOT taxable, whether they get their pay in gold, silver, or bank checks based on debt-'currency'. The fact is that No law exists making most Americans liable for keeping records, filing, or paying income taxes.
Does anyone here want to try to prove me wrong? Debate me right here, with the loser paying the winner two (1 oz) .9999 gold buffalo gold pieces; winner verifies that the loser sent the two gold pieces to the winner so that those following along will witness the power of Tax Honesty.
Again, here is the statement you must prove FROM THE TAX CODE, CHAPTER AND VERSE: There is a law making the average American living and working in one of the fifty States, liable to the IRS for keeping records, filing forms, and paying money to the IRS.
Over 67 million of us (non-filers and law-abiding Nontaxpayers) think this is a fraudulent statement perpetuated not only by the Congress (through IRS) but by a whole huge parasitic secment of the economy, that lives on the IRS scam, or on avoiding income taxes, or on 'tax deductible' donations.
If this is true (that the statement is truly fraudulent and can't be shown FROM THE TAX CODE) but only forced on people through IRS flyers and leaflets and threat letters...then the aquitted Mr. Kahre and his co-defendants only perpetuated a myth -- a fraud perpetrated by government -- that is ruining lives, destroying marriages and businesses, and wasting more man-hours per year in America than any other fraud.
Do you find this assertion to be unbelievable? It's been proven by many defendants, to the satisfaction of juries all over America for over 15 years:
-Thomas Reeves of Paducah, KY made the same assertion in 1988 and the jury acquitted him.
-Franklin Sanders and (16) co-defendants in the Memphis area made the same assertion in 1991 and the jury acquitted them.
-Gabriel Scott of Fairbanks, AK made the same assertion in 1992, and the jury acquitted him.
-Lloyd Long of Chattanooga, TN made the same assertion in 1993 and the jury acquitted him.
-Frederick and Christopher Allnut of Baltimore, MD made the same assertion in 1996 and the jury acquitted them.
-Gaylon Harrell of Logan County, IL made the same assertion in 2000, and the jury acquitted him.
-Donald Fecay of Detroit, MI made the same assertion in 2001, and the jury acquitted him.
-Vernice Kuglin of Memphis, TN made the same assertion in 2003, and the jury acquitted her.
-Dr. Lois Somerville of Lake Mary, FL made the same assertion in 2003, and U.S. District Judge Patricia C. Fawsett acquitted her.
-Former Treasury Department IRS Criminal Investigations Division agent Joe Banister made the same assertion in 2005, and the jury acquitted him.
-Attorney Tommy Cryer of Shreveport, LA made the same assertion in 2007, and the jury acquitted him.
Those acquittals are FAR more important to breaking the IRS scam...and even though having a sound currency is very important (i.e., busting the Federal Reserve scam) you must realise that IF TAX HONESTY HITS CRITICAL MASS, IT WILL ALSO BREAK THE OTHER CORRUPTION RING WITH THE FEDERAL RESERVE.
Stephen Zarlenga, founder of the American Monetary Institute, in his masterful historical survey on currency called The Lost Science of Money explains that it is false to maintain that only a precious metal (or other rare commodity) based currency can be honest. There is historical precedent and ethical basis for pegging a national currency to LAW (i.e. to the full faith & credit of a government, plus the inherent value of GDP and national thrift, intellectual property, etc).
On any reasonable basis of relative value (i.e., FOREX) if Tax Honesty gains critical mass and busts the corrupt Congress, it will shrink federal revenues by at least a third and re-divert several trillion dollars per year (public and private sector) back into productive activity. It would also de-fund an untold number of parasitic agencies and private industries (used to be called 'rackets'). The US Dollar would regain primacy as a world basis currency, and the world would begin beating a path back to American investments as never before!
Liberty is not about gold; it's about liberty and the rule of law. Busting the corruption in our Congress can ONLY be achieved by first embargoing that torrent of check-skimming cash being perpetrated through Congress' IRS scam.
Yes: "mere" LAW...mere honesty can turn a nation's trajectory from worthless-currency creditor to the world's benchmark for value and base its currency on that solid foundation of honesty and law. In our day, with most governments being fraudulent and redistributionist, a return to plain honesty in our federal government can change not only your family's financial future...it can change the world!
Christ said it long ago: "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
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www.taxcodeforall.blogspot.com
Hmm....
If I remember right, Christ was also attributed with the saying, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" in regard to taxes... and even then, His compliance didn't keep him from getting "nailed" by the authorities of the day!
As much as I loathe the IRS and hope to see it abolished, I could not in good conscience urge anyone not to pay "protection" to the government (oops, I mean, taxes) simply because the government goons are the ones with the guns. Being on the right and moral side of this argument is NOT going to keep you from getting your door kicked in at 3 a.m. and being dragged out into the street in handcuffs.
Lastly, (and I mean no offense by this, I'm genuinely curious) do you yourself file taxes? I've heard of plenty of guys who make the "16th Amendment" argument (and make lots of money doing seminars) who file taxes on the money they make from telling people to *not* file taxes.
Please know I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I'm simply curious to know where you really stand on this.
First:
In the time of Christ, Caesar owned every Roman citizen. He owned you, and could do anything he wanted to with you. He could cover you with pitch and use you for a backyard torch at one of his parties. The caesars of Rome had absolute power over the individual; Christ was making a terribly dangerous statement...the second half of which is NEVER quoted:
"render unto Caesar what is Caesar's...and unto God what is God's."
Second: The most common response one will hear from a Christian when the subject of Tax Honesty arises is, "render unto Caesar”, but obviously we’re not Rome under the Caesars. Even if we discount the part about rendering unto God...How are we supposed to apply Christ’s statement to life in this constitutional republic? Not by bowing to some stupid caesar. No such thing in America!
Here's the actual quote from Jesus:
And when they came to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, 'Does not your teacher pay tribute?' He said, 'Yes'. And when he came into the house, Jesus preceded him saying, 'What think you, Simon? Of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? Of their own children, or of strangers?' And Peter said unto him, 'Of strangers'. Jesus said unto him, 'Then the children are free'. (Matthew 17:24-26)
Here in America we’re not ruled by a Caesar but by the rule of Law. In other words, we’re “ruled” by our federal and State Constitution and all laws made pursuant to those constitutions.
With respect to federal taxation, "NonGrata", the U.S. Constitution is a law of limitation on the federal government. Next, the federal regulations are the rules for government. Finally, the Statutes and Codes are the rules for the people to go by in order to understand what they take on when they deal with government (i.e., in a privileged activity recognised as taxable under the Code).
The Internal Revenue Code (26 USC) is a law that establishes a legal duty for certain people to keep records, file forms, and pay “income” taxes – but only those people who fall within its jurisdictional authority, and whose activities or situations meet the taxing provisions in the Code.
I do NOT condone breaking laws, "NonGrata". Obviously, you don't have the slightest idea of what's in the Tax Code, so you fear your own employees. Ignorance is a dangerous position for free citizens to be in!
I maintain that any person who meets those Tax Code ('taxable income') provisions but refuses to keep records, file forms, or pay the taxes stipulated is properly called a tax evader, or ‘tax cheat’. I don't want anyone thinking that I condone violating the law. I categorically DO NOT!
With respect to Biblical ethics, if a Christian believes that he owes an income tax but seeks to evade paying what he believes he owes, then – even if he does not legally owe it – he is sinning in his heart. On the other hand, anyone who is not made liable under the Tax Code is a Nontaxpayer and as such is ethically, legally free to ignore the Tax Code – just as our forefathers were before the Tax Code and Leviathan State arose.
An estimated 67 million of us are non-filers now, and I'd imagine that many of those are NOT law-abiding Nontaxpayers, just as many filers are ALSO not law-abiding. I think everyone must obey the laws, or we have chaos and unraveling of our civilisation. THAT is what Congress has been doing for 90 years -- the largest, longest-running financial fraud in human history! -- they have been helping evil mercantilists and 'money powers' to rape us into submission and terror, and you are a poster-boy for that. I suggest you overcome that fear, and start working for personal liberty through educating yourself.
Please read my MANY answers to those who have painted the same terrorist picture you just painted, "NonGrata". The Tax Code authorises ONLY those IRS personnel involved in alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives enforcement actions to "pack heat". Any other IRS agent brandishing a firearm or breaking into a private residence is asking for criminal indictment and jail time!
Please go to my Tax Honesty blog and read, if you're really interested. The last filing I made with the IRS (acronym stands for "I Represent Satan") was in 1998, and I have never filed or paid a cent to state-sponsored terrorists since then. I am happy to be 'reported' to the IRS here in San Antonio or Austin (they know me well!) or to any other of my public employees working for that agency. I will be happy to take them to lunch, or just shoot the breeze with them.
Unlike you, I do NOT hate the IRS agent or line worker; I appreciate that most of them think they're doing great work "for the country". I always try to treat the IRS employee to a bit of truth and a bit of proselytizing; I try to get them to leave terrorism because (don't they know?) we're in a War on Terror right now, and they're on the wrong side of that war.
Many former IRS agents, having learned the truth about Congress’ IRS scam, left the Service and now work on behalf of Tax Honesty. These include former pistol-toting U.S. Treasury and CID agent Joe Banister, agents Clifton Beale, Sherry Jackson, John Turner, and IRS attorney Paul Chappell.
Listen to the testimony of Shelley L. Davis before the Senate Finance Committee oversight hearing on the IRS in September 1997:
"Mr. Chairman and Members of the Senate Finance Committee, I am pleased to be able to share a few of my thoughts and experiences with you today as you explore specific issues of IRS abuse of those the tax agency likes to call its "customers" -- American taxpayers. For 16 years I worked as an historian for the federal government...the final seven were spent as the first and unfortunately, the last official historian for the Internal Revenue Service.
In my early years with the IRS, a good question to ask was, "Where are the records?" What I learned was shocking. The records had been destroyed. Gone. Shredded. Tossed. ...It is as though the IRS assumed that laws which apply to the FBI, to the CIA, to every other part of the federal establishment can be ignored.... No other agency of our government could get away with this. I questioned...why it had taken so long for anyone to realize that the records were not just missing, but destroyed.... the answer is based on fear. As taxpayers, would we ever question the one agency that can truly bite back? ... Our fear of being audited has allowed the IRS to theoretically eliminate any potential smoking guns by trashing its own records ... How can you prove any wrongdoing when the evidence is ...destroyed? The IRS has learned that the privacy protections are its best weapon in its war against its 'customers'...".
So the next time you hear “render unto Caesar!”, consider...are these the words of:
- a chicken-heart, afraid to defend his republic?
- a complicit cut-purse who profits directly off of “Caesar's” extortion?
- a compromised 501c3 operator who lives off 'write-offs' of those seeking to avoid the cut-purse?
- just a person who's ignorant of 6th-grade civics and the history of the tax scam?
I am doing all I can to "Break the Matrix" of citizen ignorance right here in Ron Paul's secret conspiracy club, but it's tough slogging so far. It's sad to say that the average 'enlightened patriot' in the 'freedom movement' is a dupe. A rube. Ignorant of history, and for the most part too lazy to read it to dispel the ignorance! I spent years putting together the "Introduction to Tax Honesty" on my American Glasnost blog. I notice that people are really responding well to my posts about this. Perhaps I can hope they will read my historical and legal introduction, and go to some of the educational sites I link.
Perhaps a few of you will even dare to buy your own personal copy of the Tax Code, to see for yourself that according to the law itself, we 67 million non-filers are not the ones in danger...YOU who continue to file are the ones in danger!
"NonGrata", you obviously haven't seen my other posts about Tax Honesty on this forum. I have mentioned that the IRS targets EIGHT FILERS every year for every ONE non-filer. With twice as many of you filers as there are of us non-filers, you're still in FOUR TIMES greater peril.
But not only that; I am in no peril at all, because I obey the law and I can PROVE it to a jury of my peers, if the IRS ever got so bold as to take me into a court. Those twelve peers will then learn the truth, and I'm sure IRS doesn't want that!
Or as Jesus said: the sons are free.
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Whoa, slow down there, big feller!!
As I said at the end of my post, I *wasn't* trying to pick a fight with you, I was just curious.
NO, I've not read your other posts. NO, I'm not a CPA. NO, I've not read, and am not familiar with, the tax code. NO, I've not spent $100 to buy a copy of the code. And NO, NO NO - to correct you - I DON'T "hate the IRS agent or line worker."
Just for the record, I said that I "loathe the IRS." I don't "hate" anyone. I loathe the IRS as a government entity which is both unnecessary and overbearing. I've never (to my knowledge) met an IRS agent or worker, and I certainly don't "hate" them for doing their job - I'm sure each has a family to support.
As I wrote in the conclusion to my post, I was asking a simple and genuinely curious question as someone who stumbled across your post by chance, and just read it in passing.
That being said, I'll have to say I was taken aback by your reply. If you think I'm "wrong on all counts" as you titled your response, that's your opinion.... but then you wrote:
"they [Congress] have been helping evil mercantilists and 'money powers' to rape us into submission and terror, and you are a poster-boy for that. I suggest you overcome that fear, and start working for personal liberty through educating yourself."
I'm a "poster-boy" for "evil mercantilists" who are raping us into submission?
No wonder you're having trouble winning people over to your cause.... If this is the way you respond to an innocent question from someone who is (or at least, was) interested in your viewpoint, I would hate to see how you respond to someone you truly dislike.
Peace, dude! :)
People are waking up. A jury that can do this gives me hope that the country may not go to tyranny as fast as I assumed.
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone; and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.--John Quincy Adams
The best part:
Rather, jurors delivered zero guilty verdicts. Three defendants, all workers, were acquitted as well as Kahre’s mother, who worked as a runner for her son’s businesses. Two other defendants were partly acquitted — the jury hung on one count each. The jury also hung on all counts faced by Kahre, Loglia and Kahre’s sister, resulting in mistrials.
“I’m telling you that I have never seen such a dejected group of people leave a courtroom in my life,” Hansen said of DOJ and IRS officials. “They were shocked. Of course, we were pleased.
“The thing is, they had 161 counts and they did not get a guilty verdict on a single one. They got a big goose egg. We didn’t get not-guilty verdicts for everyone, but the government didn’t get anything.”
-Kenny
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
now let's hear all those who like to whine about the Ed Brown and Wesley Snipes trials, eh?
I think that many who work in the income tax industry try to appear as though they 'just hate that mean old IRS', but secretly know that if the IRS scam dries up, so does their income stream.
As I listed above: American juries have been wise to the IRS scam for a long time now. The momentum is on the side of Tax Honesty. Those who live off of income tax consulting or 'tax exempt donations' had better start training for a new career!
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